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1. 12:11 AM - Highlight Two (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:04 AM - Re: netiquette.* (Morocketman@aol.com)
3. 08:59 AM - Nose over (Bob & Toodie Marshall)
4. 09:24 AM - Re: Light tail - was netiquette.* (Jim)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: netiquette.* (JOHN STARN)
6. 10:53 AM - list fraud (Jim)
7. 01:42 PM - Re: Tail Weight (JOHNTMEY@aol.com)
8. 02:26 PM - Re: netiquette.* (Jim Stone)
9. 06:02 PM - Re: netiquette.* (JOHN STARN)
10. 07:01 PM - Re: Tail Weight (N395V)
11. 07:12 PM - Re: list fraud (Bowen Miles)
12. 08:34 PM - Re: list fraud (nico css)
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| Subject: | Re: netiquette.* |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
Hi Jim, I have the same sentiments. When I weighed my tail feathers (in
level flight attitude) I remember it being about 56 lbs. John was "politely
aghast", and stated that he liked under 30 lbs. or so. I am doing this from
memory so please forgive me if I am way off. Anyway, I much prefer to "taxi"
with a bit of weight in the baggage pit. If I know that I am going to fly solo
for several legs, I throw a spare tire from my boat trailer in the pit.
About 25 lbs. It greatly enhances my taxi experience. On the second or so
flight, I also did the taxi dance, and was fortunate not to nick the prop. Am
I
correct that changing the landing gear geometry was one of Mark's major
changes? Ya'll be careful out there, Les Featherston HR II "Airgasm" has
260
hours.
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
Hi Nico, what John Starn is saying is true, IF you forget to keep the stick
back, You can power lift the tail with high RPM by moving the stick forward,
You have to learn to keep the stick back at all times, I wheel land most of
the time and have used very heavy braking and have not had a problem, if you
are taxing at 5 to 10 mph and try to slide the tires or stomp on the brakes
it is possible to get the tail up and over, I almost did it. But in the 4
years the ship has been flying it has not been an issue. IF you are heads up
with the stick. I am not sure but I think some of the angle valve engines
are a little heavier ? Bob, 999RM. O02. Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Light tail - was netiquette.* |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
Les -
Most of the tail weights I know of have been around 19-25 pounds. Mine was
23. When it's in the taxi position it must weigh around 60 pounds (judging
by how hard it is to pick up). As for adding weight - my elevator stick
forces are extremely high for anything other than standard rate turns. If I
want to do a 4 G turn I have to use both hands. I think I'll throw some
weight in the back and go try it. When I have the wife in the back I'm not
allowed to do that stuff..........<G>
I don't see how you can change gear geometry to enhance the taxiing
experience. You would have to move the wheels forward to eliminate the nose
over problem and that would create it's own problems. I am not an engineer
but I have read that the main wheels on a tail dragger should be centered
under the leading edge in level flight
mtcw
jim
'05 HR2 66 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: netiquette.* |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
HRII N561FS has two 5# plumbers lead pieces bolted to the flat area under
the vertical stabilizer to get to John's recommended weight at level fight
attitude. We also carry the "airplanes" tool pouch & emergency packet in the
baggage area. Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: <Morocketman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: netiquette.*
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
>
> Hi Jim, I have the same sentiments. When I weighed my tail feathers (in
> level flight attitude) I remember it being about 56 lbs. John was
> "politely
> aghast", and stated that he liked under 30 lbs. or so. I am doing this
> from
> memory so please forgive me if I am way off. Anyway, I much prefer to
> "taxi"
> with a bit of weight in the baggage pit. If I know that I am going to
> fly solo
> for several legs, I throw a spare tire from my boat trailer in the pit.
> About 25 lbs. It greatly enhances my taxi experience. On the second or
> so
> flight, I also did the taxi dance, and was fortunate not to nick the
> prop. Am I
> correct that changing the landing gear geometry was one of Mark's major
> changes? Ya'll be careful out there, Les Featherston HR II "Airgasm"
> has 260
> hours.
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
Someone keeps sending me list email with my own address on it. The really funny
thing is the messages are exactly the same as ones that I sent out earlier.
Does anyone else have this problem and how did you deal with it? I'm thinking
of blocking email from me - would that work?
jim
'05 HR2
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: JOHNTMEY@aol.com
I just did the wt & bal on mine.
It came in at 1208# with 41 pounds on the tail.
Is that about average ?
John Meyers N5800 sn 233
(may fly in Dec)
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| Subject: | Re: netiquette.* |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
> NO>>>NO----NO.....run it up too high an RPM, or cycle the prop which then
Hey John, what's is "too high"? Are you talking 1500 rpm or 2000?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: netiquette.*
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> NO>>>NO----NO.....run it up too high an RPM, or cycle the prop which then
> takes a sudden GREAT big bite of air with the brakes locked,
> ding.....ding..... CRUNCH. (that's the sound of prop---prop---spinner).
> This
> is not a maybe....this has happened SEVERAL times. Twice just at APV,
> Apple
> Valley, Calif. in the past 3 years. Engine test ?, Chain the tail down
> with
> a short chain. RV TD types can & WILL nose over in a heartbeat. Stick full
> back ?...YES that is required but it's not enough. KABONG (GBA & GWB)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: netiquette.*
>
>
>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>>
>> You can overcome runup nose-over by holding the stick all the way back,
>> no?
>> Nico
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: netiquette.*
>>> > STEP ONE: Close canopy
>>> > STEP TWO: Stand back and admire VS stuck in the ceiling like a big
>> hatchet
>>> > Do not let go of wing #1 without support. Do not let go of wing #1
>>> > without support. Do not let...........you get the idea.
>>> > HRII N561FS Closing in on 300 hrs. Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB) KABONG
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: netiquette.* |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Take "your" airplane out on the ramp, Chain it down (on a very short chain),
set the brakes and do a run up and have someone watch the tail wheel as you
increase RPM and/or cycle your prop. Your engine/prop/CG combination will
effect the number that YOU decide not to exceed. Do this solo for "worst"
case example. With full back stick YOUR tail wheel will come off the ground.
On N561FS we do not cycle the prop on the end of the runway runup. We do it
during quick taxi onto runway. N561FS will fly off just fine even if the
prop does not cycle. ( MT four blade ). Sometimes it's liken'd to kicking in
the AB on an F-4 which just makes Gummibears whole day.
KABONG Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB)
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
>
>> NO>>>NO----NO.....run it up too high an RPM, or cycle the prop which then
> Hey John, what's is "too high"? Are you talking 1500 rpm or 2000?
> Jim
>> NO>>>NO----NO.....run it up too high an RPM, or cycle the prop which then
>> takes a sudden GREAT big bite of air with the brakes locked,
>> ding.....ding..... CRUNCH. (that's the sound of prop---prop---spinner).
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: N395V <N395V@direcway.com>
I'm 1205# with 51# on the tail on the ground.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHNTMEY@aol.com
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Tail Weight
--> Rocket-List message posted by: JOHNTMEY@aol.com
I just did the wt & bal on mine.
It came in at 1208# with 41 pounds on the tail.
Is that about average ?
John Meyers N5800 sn 233
(may fly in Dec)
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Bowen Miles <cessna170bdriver@yahoo.com>
Jim <n144hr@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim"
Someone keeps sending me list email with my own address on it. The really funny
thing is the messages are exactly the same as ones that I sent out earlier. Does
anyone else have this problem and how did you deal with it? I'm thinking of
blocking email from me - would that work?
jim
'05 HR2
Jim,
I'm pretty sure that is normal behavior for list mail. You send it to matronics,
then matronics sends it to everyone on the list, including you.
Miles
HRII plans#211, straightening wing ribs
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Jim,
You are also a subscriber to the list. If you send an email to the list, all
members (including you) receive it. Your own emails will arrive at your
mailbox as being sent from you, which is accurate.
Blocking yourself? Where will your mailserver go with the rejection message?
Back to you? Which you blocked and that message will go ... where? My head
starts to spin.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
<RV3-List@matronics.com>; "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: list fraud
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>
> Someone keeps sending me list email with my own address on it. The really
funny thing is the messages are exactly the same as ones that I sent out
earlier. Does anyone else have this problem and how did you deal with it?
I'm thinking of blocking email from me - would that work?
>
> jim
>
> '05 HR2
>
>
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