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1. 08:57 AM - Cowl cooling (Bob & Toodie Marshall)
2. 05:46 PM - the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (JOHN STARN)
3. 10:22 PM - Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (f1rocket@telus.net)
4. 11:02 PM - Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (JOHN STARN)
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
Hi Everyone, sounds like a great new thread starting on cooling issues, =
to ask maybe a dumb question, has anybody separated the two sides of the =
upper cowl with a spine/barrier going down the center of the engine to =
stop some turbulence from starting at the back side of the cowl? thanks, =
Bob Marshall, RR II/HR II
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| Subject: | the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
Cc: "rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Since I've flown in the back seat of an RV-4 with & without heel cups and
the HRII with them. (6-0 240#) I think I'm in a position to talk. The -4 W/O
puts you knees in a very drawn up & uncomfortable position then compared to
the same -4 with heel cups. HRII is a whole 'nother ballgame, wider, longer,
faster and with larger heel cups. Room to move & reposition during flight.
Elbows, shoulders & knees that touch NOTHING (not even parts of the other
person in the front seat ie: RV-6,7,9,) unless you want them to. Have not
flown in the rear seat of a -8 yet but have sat in one with the canopy
closed. Better than the -4 but not as roomy a Rocket.
I've said it before BUT I'll say it again. -4 front seat pilots NEED to fly
in the back seat With & W/O heel cups. The very FIRST comment when we gave a
ride to a -4 builder/pilot was "Wow, those cups made all the difference in
the world". Not Wow, what climbing, speed etc you would think about him
saying after a Rocket ride. Nope, the difference the heel cups made.
BUT don't take my word for it go sit in the back seat of -4 W/O and then
with. OR drop by APV & we'll prove it to ya'll. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: How to add 15kt to cruise speed by adding weight
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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>>Simple, get an RV-4, RV-8 or Harmon Rocket II. If she isn't a pilot, she
>>has to sit in the back. :-)
>
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> Possible problem is that if she has any hint of claustrophobia she
> may never fly with you again (at least in a -4).
>
> Ron Lee
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: f1rocket@telus.net
John,
You are so right.
People who have never been in a Rocket or RV comment on the acceleration,
climb, visability, speed, etc.
Those who have been in an RV-4 or a Rocket without the heel wells, immediately
tell me how much more comfortable my Rocket is than the others. They never put
it together that it is the heel wells but a few of us have figured it out. I
was surprised that the guys commented on the comfort instead of the speed. I
have ridden in an F1 without heel wells, but have yet to fly in the back from
one with (so far I'm the only one to fly my plane and why would I want to sit
in the back of someone elses? These things are just too fun to fly).
The only problem I have in my F1 is that the rudder pedals (passenger) are in
the way. I'm re-designing this right now. Only a problem for those with long
legs though. Pull the pedals out and it makes a big difference.
The ladies I have flown have commented on two things: Visability and solid
feel. Both my Mother and Wife seem to think the solid feel makes a plane
safer. I haven't bothered explaining wing loading vs landing speed to them,
I'm just happy that they like to fly with me.
Jeff
42 hours on kit 119
Quoting JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net>:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
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> Since I've flown in the back seat of an RV-4 with & without heel cups and
> the HRII with them. (6-0 240#) I think I'm in a position to talk. The -4 W/O
>
> puts you knees in a very drawn up & uncomfortable position then compared to
> the same -4 with heel cups. HRII is a whole 'nother ballgame, wider, longer,
>
> faster and with larger heel cups. Room to move & reposition during flight.
> Elbows, shoulders & knees that touch NOTHING (not even parts of the other
> person in the front seat ie: RV-6,7,9,) unless you want them to. Have not
> flown in the rear seat of a -8 yet but have sat in one with the canopy
> closed. Better than the -4 but not as roomy a Rocket.
> I've said it before BUT I'll say it again. -4 front seat pilots NEED to fly
> in the back seat With & W/O heel cups. The very FIRST comment when we gave a
>
> ride to a -4 builder/pilot was "Wow, those cups made all the difference in
> the world". Not Wow, what climbing, speed etc you would think about him
> saying after a Rocket ride. Nope, the difference the heel cups made.
> BUT don't take my word for it go sit in the back seat of -4 W/O and then
> with. OR drop by APV & we'll prove it to ya'll. KABONG Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: How to add 15kt to cruise speed by adding weight
>
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> > --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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> >
> >>Simple, get an RV-4, RV-8 or Harmon Rocket II. If she isn't a pilot, she
> >>has to sit in the back. :-)
> >
> >
> > Possible problem is that if she has any hint of claustrophobia she
> > may never fly with you again (at least in a -4).
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> > Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
In HRII N561FS we have removable rear seat rudder peddles. Takes about 1/2
hr to remove/install them. We keep them in a bag on the wall just in case
they are ever needed again. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <f1rocket@telus.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: f1rocket@telus.net
>
> John,
>
> You are so right.
>
> People who have never been in a Rocket or RV comment on the acceleration,
> climb, visability, speed, etc.
> Those who have been in an RV-4 or a Rocket without the heel wells,
> immediately
> tell me how much more comfortable my Rocket is than the others. They
> never put
> it together that it is the heel wells but a few of us have figured it out.
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