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1. 05:57 PM - Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (panhandler1956)
2. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (Fred LaForge)
3. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (Wernerworld)
4. 07:15 PM - Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (N395V)
5. 07:21 PM - HR II hard landing (Jim Anglin)
6. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (Tom Gummo)
7. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (vft@aol.com)
8. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (JOHN STARN)
9. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (JOHN STARN)
10. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (Wernerworld)
11. 11:07 PM - Re: Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread (Cameron Kurth)
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" <bowens2@insight.rr.com>
I posted this on VansAirforce.net today, but I believe you Rocketeers are outnumbered
over there. Anyway, I am really struggling with the whole RV-8 vs HRII
decision. Seems like you can build both for close to the same amount of money.
Also I can't afford an F-1 Rocket QB or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I plan to build over 5+ year period to pay cash (might finance the FWF) for
the project so that might offset the complexity of the HRII.
Stuff I have identified:
RV-8
- much easier to build (this is a big one for me right now)
- more builder support
- no chance of burning 20gph (good and bad)
- not as pretty as the HRII (IMHO)
- cheaper to insure
HRII
- Fast
- Climbs like an elevator
- Hard to build with mixing 2 component manufacturers (3 in my case with F-1 parts
too)
- Can build for about the same as an -8
I am pretty intimidated by the build compared to the factory -8. I am pretty handy
and have rebuilt a wood and fabric biplane (Jungster I) and worked at a composite
kit factory for 2 years building 2/3 scale P-51 replicas (FEW), but I
have no metal airplane experience to speak of.
I fly for a living so the "hot" factor isn't a concern, but rather an advantage
in my book - I like airplanes that scare kids and old ladies.
Any input is appreciated!
Brent
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge@verizon.net>
I restored a J-3 and a Swift, then built a RV-4 and am now building a
HR-II.I would recomend if you havent done metalworking, the RV-8 would be a
lot easier. Good luck with whatever your choice is.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:53 PM
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "panhandler1956"
> <bowens2@insight.rr.com>
>
> I posted this on VansAirforce.net today, but I believe you Rocketeers are
> outnumbered over there. Anyway, I am really struggling with the whole RV-8
> vs HRII decision. Seems like you can build both for close to the same
> amount of money. Also I can't afford an F-1 Rocket QB or we wouldn't be
> having this conversation. I plan to build over 5+ year period to pay cash
> (might finance the FWF) for the project so that might offset the
> complexity of the HRII.
>
> Stuff I have identified:
> RV-8
> - much easier to build (this is a big one for me right now)
> - more builder support
> - no chance of burning 20gph (good and bad)
> - not as pretty as the HRII (IMHO)
> - cheaper to insure
>
>
> HRII
> - Fast
> - Climbs like an elevator
> - Hard to build with mixing 2 component manufacturers (3 in my case with
> F-1 parts too)
> - Can build for about the same as an -8
>
> I am pretty intimidated by the build compared to the factory -8. I am
> pretty handy and have rebuilt a wood and fabric biplane (Jungster I) and
> worked at a composite kit factory for 2 years building 2/3 scale P-51
> replicas (FEW), but I have no metal airplane experience to speak of.
>
> I fly for a living so the "hot" factor isn't a concern, but rather an
> advantage in my book - I like airplanes that scare kids and old ladies.
>
> Any input is appreciated!
>
> Brent
>
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> Last edited by panhandler1956 : Today at 01:34 PM.
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> Brent O.
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
If you have trouble with the decision you should build an RV8. There is NO
comparison, IMHO.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:53 PM
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" <bowens2@insight.rr.com>
I posted this on VansAirforce.net today, but I believe you Rocketeers are
outnumbered over there. Anyway, I am really struggling with the whole RV-8
vs HRII decision. Seems like you can build both for close to the same amount
of money. Also I can't afford an F-1 Rocket QB or we wouldn't be having this
conversation. I plan to build over 5+ year period to pay cash (might finance
the FWF) for the project so that might offset the complexity of the HRII.
Stuff I have identified:
RV-8
- much easier to build (this is a big one for me right now)
- more builder support
- no chance of burning 20gph (good and bad)
- not as pretty as the HRII (IMHO)
- cheaper to insure
HRII
- Fast
- Climbs like an elevator
- Hard to build with mixing 2 component manufacturers (3 in my case with F-1
parts too)
- Can build for about the same as an -8
I am pretty intimidated by the build compared to the factory -8. I am pretty
handy and have rebuilt a wood and fabric biplane (Jungster I) and worked at
a composite kit factory for 2 years building 2/3 scale P-51 replicas (FEW),
but I have no metal airplane experience to speak of.
I fly for a living so the "hot" factor isn't a concern, but rather an
advantage in my book - I like airplanes that scare kids and old ladies.
Any input is appreciated!
Brent
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
If you cannot afford an F1 you probably cannot afford an HRII.
Whatever you budget won't be enough by a long shot.
I'd opt for an 8
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | HR II hard landing |
I didn't see this but I heard that one of the earlier Rockets, built by
TR, had a bad landing at Arlington Friday and needs some serious repair
but all aboard were not hurt. I really felt sorry for the guy - he was
real enthusiastic about the plane and was having a blast. He bought it
from TR sometime before this weekend. I don't have any details other
than a big bounce and lack of recovery.
I thought Arlington was good this year otherwise - best in recent memory
except I froze my a$$ off Thu. night in the drizzle and 50 degrees. The
rest of the weekend was hot. I left Sat. at 1 p.m. - almost 90 degrees
and my autogas took me out at 100 kts. and over 3000 fpm.
Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I am/was a first time builder. I started a RV-4 but was able to convert it
to the Harmon Rocket-II. Yes, there were some head scratching times but if
you are building over a 5 year period, you will have lots of time to ask
questions. Build what you want and not what other people think you should.
It is true that John Harmon doesn't supply any instruction but several
blueprints to go with the Van's instructions and blueprints.. So what if it
is harder but if I can do it with NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL
you can. You can find help. Some of it is actually good :-)
However, John answered every one of my questions.
What part of the world are you in?? Stop by and see my plane and we will
talk.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:53 PM
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "panhandler1956"
> <bowens2@insight.rr.com>
>
> I posted this on VansAirforce.net today, but I believe you Rocketeers are
> outnumbered over there. Anyway, I am really struggling with the whole RV-8
> vs HRII decision. Seems like you can build both for close to the same
> amount of money. Also I can't afford an F-1 Rocket QB or we wouldn't be
> having this conversation. I plan to build over 5+ year period to pay cash
> (might finance the FWF) for the project so that might offset the
> complexity of the HRII.
>
> Stuff I have identified:
> RV-8
> - much easier to build (this is a big one for me right now)
> - more builder support
> - no chance of burning 20gph (good and bad)
> - not as pretty as the HRII (IMHO)
> - cheaper to insure
>
>
> HRII
> - Fast
> - Climbs like an elevator
> - Hard to build with mixing 2 component manufacturers (3 in my case with
> F-1 parts too)
> - Can build for about the same as an -8
>
> I am pretty intimidated by the build compared to the factory -8. I am
> pretty handy and have rebuilt a wood and fabric biplane (Jungster I) and
> worked at a composite kit factory for 2 years building 2/3 scale P-51
> replicas (FEW), but I have no metal airplane experience to speak of.
>
> I fly for a living so the "hot" factor isn't a concern, but rather an
> advantage in my book - I like airplanes that scare kids and old ladies.
>
> Any input is appreciated!
>
> Brent
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Last edited by panhandler1956 : Today at 01:34 PM.
>
> --------
> Brent O.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45968#45968
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
I originally wanted to build a fastback RV-8 but found a great deal on a second
hand F1 kit. Having worked for the past 5 years on my F1 and helping out on a
friends RV-8 I can tell you that the 8 will be a lot easier and potentially less
expensive than any Rocket. The primary difference during construction is that
Vans has just about everything figured out for you on their kits whereas
the Rockets (even the QB? F1's) leave a lot up to the builder to figure out.
But, as they say; "you get what to pay for" whether you are paying in blood, sweat,
or cold hard cash. The RV-8 is a great airplane and if you chose to build
one you will be comfortable with your decision. Up to the time someone in a Rocket
shows up:)
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:14:40 -0700
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
If you cannot afford an F1 you probably cannot afford an HRII.
Whatever you budget won't be enough by a long shot.
I'd opt for an 8
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
N561FS, HRII IO-540 (rebuilt w/ 6 new jugs) (new prop) was within a coupla
trips for a hamburger of an RV-4 (that's less than a -8) before the RV-10
guys got into the act.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want a Rocket, build a
Rocket. Don't wait til ya need the engine, start looking NOW.
If you think you can only afford a new Mustang, buy a used Corvette.
Iffen ya'll want a Harley, a Honda will just will not do.
No since in wishing when ya "coulda had a V8".
I coulda had an aircoupe or a Zodiac 601XL or a C-150 or..or... but instead
I'm impatiently waiting for the RV-12.
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:14 PM
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> If you cannot afford an F1 you probably cannot afford an HRII.
>
> Whatever you budget won't be enough by a long shot.
>
> I'd opt for an 8
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Russ you are so right. "There is NO comparison, IMHO".
Then you lost me, if there is NO comparison why would anyone build a -8 when
they want a Rocket. Unless they prefer the taxi wheel up front. BUT that's
an RV-8A 8*) KABONG HRII N561FS Do Not Archive.
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
>
> If you have trouble with the decision you should build an RV8. There is
> NO
> comparison, IMHO.
>
> Russ
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
If one was to go fly both, you would only consider a Rocket.
I made a trip, long ago with a stop at Bakoland and a stop at Sunset,
Oregon. After a flight with Harmon, my wife asked if we really needed to go
to Oregon. Or would John sell his! We went to Oregon, but all I got was a
t-shirt, a set of RV4 plans, and a receipt for a tail kit. There was no
need to fly in Oregon. Couldn't find enough cylinders or HP to make it
worth it!
These rockets are pretty good planes. Another hundred HP or two and they'd
be really good! Where does that leave the RV8!
Russ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:42 PM
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Russ you are so right. "There is NO comparison, IMHO".
Then you lost me, if there is NO comparison why would anyone build a -8 when
they want a Rocket. Unless they prefer the taxi wheel up front. BUT that's
an RV-8A 8*) KABONG HRII N561FS Do Not Archive.
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
>
> If you have trouble with the decision you should build an RV8. There is
> NO
> comparison, IMHO.
>
> Russ
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| Subject: | Re: the ole -4 vs -8 vs HRII thread |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Cameron Kurth <cameronkurth@yahoo.com>
Brent
I made the mistake of riding in Russ's HR and then in
Harry's. One ride and there will be no question. The
8 guys can make as many claims as they want, but when
it comes down to it an 8 is not a Rocket and it never
will be. A 4 comes much closer to it, in fact it is,
just not with as much space and HP. For me it was the
Rocket or a 4, not an 8.
When picking my first plane, an RV9, I was looking at
the Zodiac and the RV. I was looking at the Zodiac
because I figured it would be cheaper and easier to
build and maybe I could trade up down the road. My
very wise girlfiend at the time said build the plane
you want, not the one you think you will trade up from
down the road.
In the end it's a freaking airplane not lunch, don't
settle for something less than you want.
Cam
RV9 flying 230 hours
NRII wings
--- Wernerworld <russ@wernerworld.com> wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
> <russ@wernerworld.com>
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> If one was to go fly both, you would only consider a
> Rocket.
>
> I made a trip, long ago with a stop at Bakoland and
> a stop at Sunset,
> Oregon. After a flight with Harmon, my wife asked
> if we really needed to go
> to Oregon. Or would John sell his! We went to
> Oregon, but all I got was a
> t-shirt, a set of RV4 plans, and a receipt for a
> tail kit. There was no
> need to fly in Oregon. Couldn't find enough
> cylinders or HP to make it
> worth it!
>
> These rockets are pretty good planes. Another
> hundred HP or two and they'd
> be really good! Where does that leave the RV8!
>
> Russ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:42 PM
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> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
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> Russ you are so right. "There is NO comparison,
> IMHO".
> Then you lost me, if there is NO comparison why
> would anyone build a -8 when
> they want a Rocket. Unless they prefer the taxi
> wheel up front. BUT that's
> an RV-8A 8*) KABONG HRII N561FS Do Not
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