---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/04/06: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:20 AM - Re: hola rockeros (Blair) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: hola rockeros (Mark Swaney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:21 AM PST US From: "Blair" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: hola rockeros --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Blair" I was going to make my own but in the end I got a kit from "Smoking airplanes". Spruce sell them. It was a very complete kit and works perfectly. I reckon it is great - heaps of fun for yourself even if you don't want it for people on the ground. Some people carry ballast in the back - this ballast has a use. It comes with quick disconnect fittings, so it's easy to remove if you need more bag space. Downside is the cost of the good oil but there are cheaper options. I'll have smoke on any aircraft I own in the future! Cheers, Tony -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of julian dib Sent: Friday, 4 August 2006 1:47 AM --> Rocket-List message posted by: "julian dib" please experiences with smoke sistems in ,rvs, hr and f-1 Is it worth while? gracias julian f-1 rocket,mexico >From: Rocket-List Digest Server >To: Rocket-List Digest List >Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/02/06 >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:57:33 -0700 > >* > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > >Today's complete Rocket-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the Rocket-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > >http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list/Digest.Rocket-List.2006-08- 02.html > >Text Version: > > >http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list/Digest.Rocket-List.2006-08- 02.txt > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Rocket-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 08/02/06: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > 1. 07:36 AM - FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) >(Frazier, Vincent A) > 2. 06:01 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) >(John W. Cox) > 3. 07:10 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to >(Richard Riley) > > >________________________________ Message 1 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:36:48 AM PST US >From: "Frazier, Vincent A" >Subject: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > >-----Original Message----- >Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM > >Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to >offer some info and some related experiences. > >I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great >fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of >visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about >S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. > >In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less >than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of >RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered >me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV >buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable >visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower >speed. > >So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... >next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left >cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and >works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >sunlight glare. > >Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can >simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE >S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my >words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.) >I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and >find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway >lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all >sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! > >Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot >asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my >"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his >head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too >much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I >know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his? > >http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info > >Vince > >FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back >seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. >Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear >seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% >useful. > > >________________________________ Message 2 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 06:01:51 PM PST US >From: "John W. Cox" >Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" > >Dinosaurs die hard and slow. Thanks for the information and the desire >to increase safety. I think it is a simple solution. > >John Cox > >-----Original Message----- >[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, >Vincent A >Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:37 AM > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > >-----Original Message----- >Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM > >Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to >offer some info and some related experiences. > >I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great >fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of >visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about >S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. > >In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less >than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of >RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered >me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV >buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable >visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower >speed. > >So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... >next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left >cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and >works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >sunlight glare. > >Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can >simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE >S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my >words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.) >I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and >find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway >lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all >sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! > >Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot >asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my >"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his >head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too >much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I >know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his? > >http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info > >Vince > >FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back >seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. >Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear >seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% >useful. > > >________________________________ Message 3 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:10:47 PM PST US >From: Richard Riley >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley > >A few years ago the Lionheart (composite, homebuilt Beech Stagger >Wing) taxied into an FAA van at Lakeland. I suggested this solution >to them, then. I don't know if they ever did it. > > > >So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD > >screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard > >lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... > >next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left > >cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. > >The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and > >works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to > >sunlight glare. > > >-- >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:03 AM PST US From: Mark Swaney Subject: Re: Rocket-List: hola rockeros --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark Swaney Tony, How much is left on the fuselage after use? Thanks, Mark On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:16 AM, Blair wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Blair" > > I was going to make my own but in the end I got a kit from "Smoking > airplanes". > Spruce sell them. It was a very complete kit and works perfectly. > > I reckon it is great - heaps of fun for yourself even if you don't want > it for people on the ground. > > Some people carry ballast in the back - this ballast has a use. > > It comes with quick disconnect fittings, so it's easy to remove if you > need more bag space. > > Downside is the cost of the good oil but there are cheaper options. > > I'll have smoke on any aircraft I own in the future! > > Cheers, > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of julian dib > Sent: Friday, 4 August 2006 1:47 AM > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "julian dib" > > please experiences with smoke sistems in ,rvs, hr and f-1 > Is it worth while? > gracias julian f-1 rocket,mexico > > >> From: Rocket-List Digest Server >> To: Rocket-List Digest List >> Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/02/06 >> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:57:33 -0700 >> >> * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete Rocket-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked >> Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII >> version >> of the Rocket-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list/Digest.Rocket-List.2006 >> -08- > 02.html >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list/Digest.Rocket-List.2006 >> -08- > 02.txt >> >> >> =============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> =============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Rocket-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Wed 08/02/06: 3 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 07:36 AM - FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) >> (Frazier, Vincent A) >> 2. 06:01 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to > do) >> (John W. Cox) >> 3. 07:10 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to >> (Richard Riley) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:36:48 AM PST US >> From: "Frazier, Vincent A" >> Subject: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to >> do) >> >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM >> >> Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to >> offer some info and some related experiences. >> >> I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great >> fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack >> of >> visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about >> S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. >> >> In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much > less >> than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple > of >> RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really > bothered >> me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV >> buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable >> visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower >> speed. >> >> So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >> screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >> lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... >> next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the >> left >> cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >> The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel >> and >> works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >> sunlight glare. >> >> Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often >> can >> simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE >> S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my >> words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being > DIFFERENT.) >> I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and >> find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway >> lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... >> all >> sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! >> >> Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot >> asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my >> "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his >> head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too >> much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I >> know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or > his? >> >> http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info >> >> Vince >> >> FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the >> back >> seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. >> Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear >> seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% >> useful. >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:01:51 PM PST US >> From: "John W. Cox" >> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what >> to > do) >> >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" > >> >> Dinosaurs die hard and slow. Thanks for the information and the >> desire >> to increase safety. I think it is a simple solution. >> >> John Cox >> >> -----Original Message----- >> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, >> Vincent A >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:37 AM >> >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM >> >> Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to >> offer some info and some related experiences. >> >> I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great >> fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack >> of >> visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about >> S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. >> >> In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much > less >> than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple > of >> RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really > bothered >> me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV >> buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable >> visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower >> speed. >> >> So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >> screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >> lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... >> next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the >> left >> cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >> The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel >> and >> works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >> sunlight glare. >> >> Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often >> can >> simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE >> S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my >> words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being > DIFFERENT.) >> I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and >> find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway >> lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... >> all >> sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! >> >> Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot >> asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my >> "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his >> head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too >> much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I >> know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or > his? >> >> http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info >> >> Vince >> >> FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the >> back >> seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. >> Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear >> seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% >> useful. >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:10:47 PM PST US >> From: Richard Riley >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what >> to >> >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley >> >> A few years ago the Lionheart (composite, homebuilt Beech Stagger >> Wing) taxied into an FAA van at Lakeland. I suggested this solution >> to them, then. I don't know if they ever did it. >> >> >>> So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >>> screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >>> lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred > bucks... >>> next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the > left >>> cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >>> The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel > and >>> works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >>> sunlight glare. >> >> >> -- >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >