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1. 03:39 AM - Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test (rob ray)
2. 06:23 AM - Leroy Johnston ()
3. 09:30 AM - free fuse jig (Kevin Shannon)
4. 11:01 AM - Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test (JOHN STARN)
5. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test (Mark swaney)
6. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test (JOHN STARN)
7. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test (Tom Gummo)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test |
My Dad's motto "it ain't done flying till you tie it down" still holds true...(I
can hardly wait till we hear about the test flight...)
Rob Ray
Frank Baldwin <fbaldwin@nothnbut.net> wrote:
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} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Regarding
the statement "application requires one hour of ground time..." is new to
this DAR.
Look at the sample FAA Form 8130-6 in Advisory Circular 20-27, it shows ZERO
time on the application.
I hope this helps to eliminate some unsafe procedures. Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: amecum
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:50 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
Oh yes it will and it will do it fast!
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
Don't look now BUT Gummibear & I (and others) have been YELLING "Tie it down"
& have someone (without glasses) hold the tail down for at least the past five
years. Maybe we need to have re-runs of very important safety issues every
3 to 6 months. While on the subject: Do Not stomp on the brakes of ANY RV- conventional
geared airplane at slow speed (walking/taxi speed). They WILL, not
might, they WILL put their nose on the tarmac quicker than you can react. KABONG
Do Not Archive it's already in there several times.
Subject: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
Listers--We are close to flying our RV-6. On the airworthiness certificate
application it requires the builder to state that "the powerplant installation
has undergone at least one hour of ground operation at various speeds from idle
to full power. . . ." Yesterday during the first full power static test holding
brakes and with the stick full aft the tail came up on me. Because I was
approaching full power gradually (being nervous about just this sort of possibility)
I was able to quickly close the throttle before the prop hit the ground.
LeRoy Johnston in Ohio.
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: <rickgray@adelphia.net>
I'm also building a Rocket in Ohio...you might check out our group:
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
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> My Dad's motto "it ain't done flying till you tie it down" still holds true...(I
can hardly wait till we hear about the test flight...)
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> Rob Ray
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> Frank Baldwin <fbaldwin@nothnbut.net> wrote:
> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
} w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Regarding
the statement "application requires one hour of ground time..." is new
to this DAR.
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> Look at the sample FAA Form 8130-6 in Advisory Circular 20-27, it shows ZERO
time on the application.
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> I hope this helps to eliminate some unsafe procedures. Frank
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: amecum
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:50 PM
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
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> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:43 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
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& have someone (without glasses) hold the tail down for at least the past
five years. Maybe we need to have re-runs of very important safety issues every
3 to 6 months. While on the subject: Do Not stomp on the brakes of ANY RV-
conventional geared airplane at slow speed (walking/taxi speed). They WILL, not
might, they WILL put their nose on the tarmac quicker than you can react. KABONG
Do Not Archive it's already in there several times.
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holding brakes and with the stick full aft the tail came up on me. Because I
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Anybody need a fuse jig in the NW? I am west of Seattle in Seabeck, WA.
It
is a wood jig, a couple harmon rockets including mine have been built on
it,
needs to be picked up soon. Call me if interested 206-786-1488
Kevin Shannon
Keep your balls centered
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test |
Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static testDuring the first
runup tests & subsequent "conditional inspection" ground run ups we
anchor it down & I drape my 230# self over the tail of HRII N561FS so
that Tom is not setting in a pogo stick. IF you don't remove your
eyeglasses, not to worry, the prop blast with do it for you. As for end
of the runway runups we DO NOT cycle the prop as part of pre-flight.
N561FS has more than enough umph to get rolling & take off even if the
prop is in cruise. Tom kinda likes the extra kick in the pants during
the take off roll (Kinda like the AB on an F-4) when he cycles up the
prop during the roll.
Runup the engine, cycle the prop with brakes locked = Varooom, big
bite of air, ding, ding, thud....followed by a long silence...KABONG Do
Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lockamy, Jack L
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while
doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place
on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown.
I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and
both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown
prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to
happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing...
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark swaney <swaneymj@mac.com>
Kabong,
Your descriptions are always classic. Thanks for the lessons learned
and keeping us newbies on track. I might actually finish my Rocket one
of these days, and I'll be sure to tie down the tail. I'll check to
see if you're available for the ballast : -)
Mark Swaney
F-1 Rocket #31 (N76TR)
swaneymj@mac.com
Do not archive.
On Aug 17, 2006, at 11:00 AM, JOHN STARN wrote:
> Duringthe first runup tests & subsequent "conditional inspection"
> ground run ups we anchor it down & I drape my 230# self over the tail
> of HRII N561FS so that Tom is not setting in a pogo stick. IF you
> don't remove your eyeglasses, not to worry, the prop blast with do it
> for you. As for end of the runway runups we DO NOT cycle the prop as
> part of pre-flight. N561FS has more than enough umph to get rolling &
> take off even if the prop is in cruise. Tom kinda likes the extra kick
> in the pants during the take off roll (Kinda like the AB on an F-4)
> when he cycles up the prop during the roll.
> Runup the engine, cycle the prop with brakes locked = Varooom, big
> bite of air, ding, ding, thud....followed by a long silence...KABONG
> Do Not Archive.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lockamy, Jack L
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>>
>>
>> Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while
>> doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a
>> place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown.
>>
>> I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and
>> both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown
>> prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to
>> happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing...
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> com/Navigator?RV-List
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Thanks for the kind words. Will help with the ballast if I can but Tom has
more "ballast". We "normally" do not chock the gear during these runups. If
for what every reason the Rocket would move forward, broken chain-pulled out
tie down, anything, we would let it roll, pull the power & lightly brake.
OH, we always do the tests with open space (200') in front and the fire
extinguisher right behind the tail tie down or in the running truck at the
wing tip. Seat belt & shoulder straps ON and snug during ALL tests & taxi.
Don't leave the hanger without them.
Just going to the pits for gas........Don't leave the hanger without them,
period. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark swaney" <swaneymj@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static
test
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark swaney <swaneymj@mac.com>
>
> Kabong,
> Your descriptions are always classic. Thanks for the lessons learned and
> keeping us newbies on track. I might actually finish my Rocket one of
> these days, and I'll be sure to tie down the tail. I'll check to see if
> you're available for the ballast : -)
> Mark Swaney
> F-1 Rocket #31 (N76TR)
> swaneymj@mac.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Mark,
Let us know when you are going to do that first engine run and I will fly
Jack, KABONG, over just to do his thing. :-)
Gummi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark swaney" <swaneymj@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static
test
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark swaney <swaneymj@mac.com>
>
> Kabong,
> Your descriptions are always classic. Thanks for the lessons learned and
> keeping us newbies on track. I might actually finish my Rocket one of
> these days, and I'll be sure to tie down the tail. I'll check to see if
> you're available for the ballast : -)
> Mark Swaney
> F-1 Rocket #31 (N76TR)
> swaneymj@mac.com
>
> Do not archive.
>
> On Aug 17, 2006, at 11:00 AM, JOHN STARN wrote:
>
>> During the first runup tests & subsequent "conditional inspection" ground
>> run ups we anchor it down & I drape my 230# self over the tail of HRII
>> N561FS so that Tom is not setting in a pogo stick. IF you don't remove
>> your eyeglasses, not to worry, the prop blast with do it for you. As for
>> end of the runway runups we DO NOT cycle the prop as part of pre-flight.
>> N561FS has more than enough umph to get rolling & take off even if the
>> prop is in cruise. Tom kinda likes the extra kick in the pants during the
>> take off roll (Kinda like the AB on an F-4) when he cycles up the prop
>> during the roll.
>> Runup the engine, cycle the prop with brakes locked = Varooom, big bite
>> of air, ding, ding, thud....followed by a long silence...KABONG Do Not
>> Archive.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Lockamy, Jack L
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing
>>> this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the
>>> airport you could find a well anchored tiedown.
>>>
>>> I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and
>>> both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown
>>> prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to
>>> happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing...
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> com/Navigator?RV-List
>>>
>>
>>
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