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3. 09:37 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Tom Gummo)
4. 10:18 PM - Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Fred Weaver)
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| Subject: | FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
We'd like to install a camera in the HR-2 but we have the round inlets.
(we'll figure something out)
Is there a page with info on your camera? Missed it. We've been
looking at motorhome cameras, and the system that ACS sells for $800.
We are installing GRT also so installing in back seat would be great.
Thanks for any info.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do)
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
<VFrazier@usi.edu>
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM
Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to
offer some info and some related experiences.
I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great
fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of
visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about
S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please.
In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less
than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of
RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered
me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV
buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable
visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower
speed.
So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD
screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard
lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks...
next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left
cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all.
The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and
works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to
sunlight glare.
Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can
simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE
S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my
words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.)
I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and
find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway
lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all
sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot
asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my
"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his
head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too
much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I
know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his?
http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info
Vince
FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back
seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display.
Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear
seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100%
useful.
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| Subject: | FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
-----Original Message-----
sorry, more info as in model number, cost, screen? Wiring diagram for
GRT to backseat etc.
thanks
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I have been thinking about it for my Rocket too.
I heard of someone putting the camera in the wheel pants.
As I have a very slow Rocket, I am also thinking about glassing it into the
flaring on the top of the vertical stabilizer. (A little more drag won't
effect me.) It has been done in the past but I haven't looked to see if it
would give me taxi info. It would be great for flying shots.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do)
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
>
> We'd like to install a camera in the HR-2 but we have the round inlets.
> (we'll figure something out)
>
> Is there a page with info on your camera? Missed it. We've been
> looking at motorhome cameras, and the system that ACS sells for $800.
>
> We are installing GRT also so installing in back seat would be great.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
> Vincent A
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:37 AM
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do)
>
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM
>
> Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to
> offer some info and some related experiences.
>
> I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great
> fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of
> visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about
> S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please.
>
> In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less
> than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of
> RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered
> me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV
> buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable
> visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower
> speed.
>
> So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD
> screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard
> lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks...
> next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left
> cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all.
> The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and
> works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to
> sunlight glare.
>
> Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can
> simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE
> S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my
> words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.)
> I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and
> find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway
> lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all
> sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
>
> Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot
> asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my
> "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his
> head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too
> much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I
> know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his?
>
> http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info
>
> Vince
>
> FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back
> seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display.
> Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear
> seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100%
> useful.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Yo Gummo.. One thing about pointing it forward is that damn prop really
messes up the video. If you figure out how to eliminate the prop spinning in
the picture, please let me know.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do)
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> I have been thinking about it for my Rocket too.
>
> I heard of someone putting the camera in the wheel pants.
>
> As I have a very slow Rocket, I am also thinking about glassing it into
the
> flaring on the top of the vertical stabilizer. (A little more drag won't
> effect me.) It has been done in the past but I haven't looked to see if it
> would give me taxi info. It would be great for flying shots.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to
do)
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: <jerrymanda@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > We'd like to install a camera in the HR-2 but we have the round inlets.
> > (we'll figure something out)
> >
> > Is there a page with info on your camera? Missed it. We've been
> > looking at motorhome cameras, and the system that ACS sells for $800.
> >
> > We are installing GRT also so installing in back seat would be great.
> >
> > Thanks for any info.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
> > Vincent A
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:37 AM
> > To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Rocket-List: FW: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do)
> >
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
> > <VFrazier@usi.edu>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:29 AM
> >
> > Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to
> > offer some info and some related experiences.
> >
> > I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great
> > fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of
> > visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about
> > S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please.
> >
> > In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less
> > than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of
> > RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered
> > me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV
> > buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable
> > visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower
> > speed.
> >
> > So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD
> > screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard
> > lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks...
> > next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left
> > cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all.
> > The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and
> > works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to
> > sunlight glare.
> >
> > Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can
> > simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE
> > S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my
> > words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.)
> > I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and
> > find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway
> > lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all
> > sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
> >
> > Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot
> > asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my
> > "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his
> > head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too
> > much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I
> > know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his?
> >
> > http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info
> >
> > Vince
> >
> > FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back
> > seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display.
> > Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear
> > seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100%
> > useful.
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