---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/31/06: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:01 AM - Re: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions (rob ray) 2. 10:54 AM - Re: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions (nico css) 3. 08:01 PM - Re: FW: video input/taxi camera (Sailor) 4. 08:35 PM - Re: FW: video input/taxi camera (Bob J.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:10 AM PST US From: rob ray Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions Jack, I'm a new guy in the Rocket world having bought a flying HR2 and having built my RV4 in 96'. My first Rocket impression was "forward visibility like an Ag Cat, big S turns required". After seeing a Rocket from IN at Oshkosh (before the accident) with the forward ;ipstick camera I first thought "great idea", my second thought was "why"? I have flown alot of big taildraggers mainly Ag-sprayers and biplanes with very poor forward visibility and one of my first employers told me "always clear your flightpath". Since then I have used that addage in every facet of flight from cubs to the F16 with good results so far. The TBM guy was new to the airplane and obviously didn't clear his. Guys have been flying big taildraggers for a long time now and I still believe in looking in front, whatever that takes. Nothing wrong with cameras but one peek from and S turn is worth a thousand cross-checks... Rob Ray Jack Hilditch wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } WinCE WebCam driver link: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7191593413.html --------------------------------- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, Vincent A Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions OK, one of you geeks out there knows where to find such a device.... a Windows CE driven camera. Go! Fetch! Good boy! ;-) Vince --------------------------------- From: Greg Toman - Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: video input/taxi camera and other questions The ASI calibration is in the release Jeff and I are testing now. We thought we would release it tomorrow, but it might be another couple of days because I messed up the new function for defining missed approach altitudes, decision altitudes, and a pre-set altitude for the vertical nav function. I checked into the camera thing (which by the way, we have had others request). Our software engineer said that a web cam that plugs into our USB port would provide us with video, but that he was unaware of any webcams that include a driver for Windows CE (this is the embedded version of windows that we use...it is quite different from the version on your PC). So, all we need is the software driver. If you heard of someonw that found a webcam that includes a Windows CE driver, find out what camera that is, and let us know. This would be a free update. I don't want to get you too excited though. If we can't find a camera that includes the driver, we would need to write our own. This is not a trival task, and a very rough estimate of the cost to do so is in the range of $15,000-$30,000 worth of labor. We would only do this if we thought we could earn that much back, which is unclear at this time. In other words, don't count on it if we have to write the driver. Interestingly, when I tested the winds aloft calc, my RV-6A was off by less than 1 foot/sec at crusing speed. (I have Van's recommended static and pitot ports.) Thanks Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Frazier, Vincent A To: Greg Toman - Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: video input/taxi camera and other questions Greg, After the TBM/RV-6 accident at Oshkosh, the email lists are on fire with guys wanting taxi cameras. Someone at your booth at Oshkosh mentioned that someone had a USB interface that would allow your EFIS screen to show video. PLEASE tell us where and how to get it. Right now, this would be a HUGE selling point. Also, is the ASI calibration to correct the winds aloft calculations ever going to be available? It's been almost 2 years since we discussed it. Vince -- Date: 8/29/2006 -- 8/30/2006 --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:01 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions What would tempt me is to not do S-turns any longer and rely on the camera alone. If I can see I can see, why bother acting like a drunk? _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob ray Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions Jack, I'm a new guy in the Rocket world having bought a flying HR2 and having built my RV4 in 96'. My first Rocket impression was "forward visibility like an Ag Cat, big S turns required". After seeing a Rocket from IN at Oshkosh (before the accident) with the forward ;ipstick camera I first thought "great idea", my second thought was "why"? I have flown alot of big taildraggers mainly Ag-sprayers and biplanes with very poor forward visibility and one of my first employers told me "always clear your flightpath". Since then I have used that addage in every facet of flight from cubs to the F16 with good results so far. The TBM guy was new to the airplane and obviously didn't clear his. Guys have been flying big taildraggers for a long time now and I still believe in looking in front, whatever that takes. Nothing wrong with cameras but one peek from and S turn is worth a thousand cross-checks... Rob Ray Jack Hilditch wrote: WinCE WebCam driver link: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7191593413.html _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier, Vincent A Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera and other questions OK, one of you geeks out there knows where to find such a device.... a Windows CE driven camera. Go! Fetch! Good boy! ;-) Vince _____ From: Greg Toman - Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: video input/taxi camera and other questions The ASI calibration is in the release Jeff and I are testing now. We thought we would release it tomorrow, but it might be another couple of days because I messed up the new function for defining missed approach altitudes, decision altitudes, and a pre-set altitude for the vertical nav function. I checked into the camera thing (which by the way, we have had others request). Our software engineer said that a web cam that plugs into our USB port would provide us with video, but that he was unaware of any webcams that include a driver for Windows CE (this is the embedded version of windows that we use...it is quite different from the version on your PC). So, all we need is the software driver. If you heard of someonw that found a webcam that includes a Windows CE driver, find out what camera that is, and let us know. This would be a free update. I don't want to get you too excited though. If we can't find a camera that includes the driver, we would need to write our own. This is not a trival task, and a very rough estimate of the cost to do so is in the range of $15,000-$30,000 worth of labor. We would only do this if we thought we could earn that much back, which is unclear at this time. In other words, don't count on it if we have to write the driver. Interestingly, when I tested the winds aloft calc, my RV-6A was off by less than 1 foot/sec at crusing speed. (I have Van's recommended static and pitot ports.) Thanks Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Frazier, Vincent A Inc. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: video input/taxi camera and other questions Greg, After the TBM/RV-6 accident at Oshkosh, the email lists are on fire with guys wanting taxi cameras. Someone at your booth at Oshkosh mentioned that someone had a USB interface that would allow your EFIS screen to show video. PLEASE tell us where and how to get it. Right now, this would be a HUGE selling point. Also, is the ASI calibration to correct the winds aloft calculations ever going to be available? It's been almost 2 years since we discussed it. Vince ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:40 PM PST US From: Sailor Subject: RE: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera >To all: One can avoid all of this talk and speculation on cameras etc etc yada yada yada. build your canopy a little bit higher like mine build your seat reactively high and you can see right over the nose fine. Okay it probably costs me a few Mph but I haven't run into any C-150'S. One particular person did not believe you could see over the nose in 266HP I told him to get his but up there and see for himself! he did and was a believer. Harry Paine 266HP 412HRS and no rear enders yet! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:01 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FW: video input/taxi camera The overall over the nose visibility in a Rocket is much better than it is in my RV-6. The only place where you can't see all that well in front of you is around the hump for the spinner, and its easy to s-turn to get around that, since its just a narrow bliind spot in front of you. The camera is a novel idea but s-turns work just fine for me. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 8/31/06, Sailor wrote: > > To all: > > > One can avoid all of this talk and speculation on cameras etc etc yada > yada yada. > > build your canopy a little bit higher like mine build your seat reactively > high and you can see right over the nose fine. Okay it probably costs me a > few Mph but I haven't run into any *C-150'S.* One particular person did > not believe you could see over the nose in 266HP I told him to get his but > up there and see for himself! he did and was a believer. > > Harry Paine > 266HP > 412HRS and no rear enders yet! > > * > > > * > >