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1. 07:36 AM - .Preaching to the choir...again (JOHN STARN)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (nico css)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (Tom Gummo)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (Fred Weaver)
5. 09:58 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (JOHN STARN)
6. 10:00 AM - Aluminum spinner (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
7. 10:26 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (nico css)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: Aluminum spinner (Kevin Shannon)
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| Subject: | .Preaching to the choir...again |
I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the brakes"
warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
already.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>> forgotten!!!
>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my tail
>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the throttle
>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>> strip and all that.
>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
Message 2
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| Subject: | .Preaching to the choir...again |
Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there are
no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the brakes"
warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
already.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>> forgotten!!!
>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my tail
>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the throttle
>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>> strip and all that.
>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
I assume it is the same as for the OV-10. With reversible props, it could
back up. However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards
over onto its tail.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying
Major, USAF Retired
F-4G and OV-10 Pilot
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
Because the airliner can tip over backwards if you apply the brakes after
using reverse thrust to back up...
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
Flying condition C-47/DC-3's (several), C-46's (CAF's) & of course the Grand
Canyon "Ford" Tri-Motors all drag a tail wheel. But not sure if any of these
have the Beta position. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
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| Subject: | Aluminum spinner |
Looking for a polished aluminum spinner. Only archive reference is the
Orndorff's and they no longer carry em.
Anyone know where I can get one?
Need a 13" for my 2 blade hartzell.
Thanks
Mike
Super 8
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| Subject: | .Preaching to the choir...again |
Ah. Gotit. Very discomforting thing for everyone, huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
I assume it is the same as for the OV-10. With reversible props, it could
back up. However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards
over onto its tail.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying
Major, USAF Retired
F-4G and OV-10 Pilot
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aluminum spinner |
I bought one from Murphy a few years back might want to give them a try
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
Looking for a polished aluminum spinner. Only archive reference is the
Orndorff's and they no longer carry em.
Anyone know where I can get one?
Need a 13" for my 2 blade hartzell.
Thanks
Mike
Super 8
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