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1. 06:25 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (Rob Ray)
2. 07:50 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (Tom Gummo)
3. 08:31 AM - Re: .Preaching to the choir...again (Rob Ray)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: Aluminum spinner (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 01:30 PM - Re: Aluminum spinner (Rob Ray)
6. 02:20 PM - Re: Aluminum spinner (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
Tom,
I didn't know you flew Bronco's, I was in the 27 TASS at George 85-88..I like
your N Number...good ole 561st. Anyway, an Alaska Backcountry Pilot taught me
years ago to never run-up sitting still, always do it on the takeoff roll. You
reduce picking up rocks in your prop and the unfortunate event the RV6 guy experienced.
If you have Electronic ignition, a static run-up isn't necessary anyway.
It either works or it doesn't. With practice you can check both ignition
systems and the prop in a few seconds on the roll. A low speed abort is much
less expensive than standing your bird on it's nose...
We do rolling takeoffs in the F16 where there is a FOD hazard as well as the
GE F110 will suck golfball sized rocks off the ground and into the intake at Military
(full) Throttle. My Rocket will raise the tail at 1400 rpm without full
aft stick. I do a rolling takeoff whenever possible due to my rough home strip
conditions anyway.
Just a thought...
Rob Ray
I assume it is the same as for the OV-10. With reversible props, it could
back up. However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards
over onto its tail.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying
Major, USAF Retired
F-4G and OV-10 Pilot
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css"
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop, engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use brakes!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
Rob,
Looks like our ships passed in the night, i.e., I was at George AFB from
1980 to 1984 (563rd TFS) then again from 1989 to 1992 (561st TFS). My
OV-10 time (23 TASS) was from 1976 to 1980 at Bergstorm AFB Texas. My
call sign was Nail 69.
I check my mags at 1600 to 1700 RPM as any higher the tail wants to come
up (stick is back) and I check the prop on takeoff roll.
Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
Tom,
I didn't know you flew Bronco's, I was in the 27 TASS at George
85-88..I like your N Number...good ole 561st. Anyway, an Alaska
Backcountry Pilot taught me years ago to never run-up sitting still,
always do it on the takeoff roll. You reduce picking up rocks in your
prop and the unfortunate event the RV6 guy experienced. If you have
Electronic ignition, a static run-up isn't necessary anyway. It either
works or it doesn't. With practice you can check both ignition systems
and the prop in a few seconds on the roll. A low speed abort is much
less expensive than standing your bird on it's nose...
We do rolling takeoffs in the F16 where there is a FOD hazard as
well as the GE F110 will suck golfball sized rocks off the ground and
into the intake at Military (full) Throttle. My Rocket will raise the
tail at 1400 rpm without full aft stick. I do a rolling takeoff
whenever possible due to my rough home strip conditions anyway.
Just a thought...
Rob Ray
Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote:
I assume it is the same as for the OV-10. With reversible props, it
could
back up. However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip
backwards
over onto its tail.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying
Major, USAF Retired
F-4G and OV-10 Pilot
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely,
there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN
STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on
the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV
tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high
RPM and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers,
retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who
have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several
times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it.
As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should
never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron
the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to
keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop,
engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied
down be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing
never apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a
power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and
stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out,
that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many
Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise
is banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use
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| Subject: | Re: .Preaching to the choir...again |
Cool Tom, great callsign, I was Five Zero. Flew The Viper in PACAF after George
and still flying it in the guard 20 years later somehow, (our unit just got back
from Iraq) I am blessed.
Flew my Rocket to drill this weekend and our maintenence guys were worried the
weather front would blow it around outside so they put it indoors next to an
F16. I got a pic...
see ya!
RR
Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote: Rob,
Looks like our ships passed in the night, i.e., I was at George AFB from 1980
to 1984 (563rd TFS) then again from 1989 to 1992 (561st TFS). My OV-10 time
(23 TASS) was from 1976 to 1980 at Bergstorm AFB Texas. My call sign was Nail
69.
I check my mags at 1600 to 1700 RPM as any higher the tail wants to come up (stick
is back) and I check the prop on takeoff roll.
Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
Tom,
I didn't know you flew Bronco's, I was in the 27 TASS at George 85-88..I like
your N Number...good ole 561st. Anyway, an Alaska Backcountry Pilot taught
me years ago to never run-up sitting still, always do it on the takeoff
roll. You reduce picking up rocks in your prop and the unfortunate event the
RV6 guy experienced. If you have Electronic ignition, a static run-up isn't
necessary anyway. It either works or it doesn't. With practice you can
check both ignition systems and the prop in a few seconds on the roll. A
low speed abort is much less expensive than standing your bird on it's nose...
We do rolling takeoffs in the F16 where there is a FOD hazard as well as the
GE F110 will suck golfball sized rocks off the ground and into the intake
at Military (full) Throttle. My Rocket will raise the tail at 1400 rpm without
full aft stick. I do a rolling takeoff whenever possible due to my rough
home strip conditions anyway.
Just a thought...
Rob Ray
Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote: --> Rocket-List message posted
by: "Tom Gummo"
I assume it is the same as for the OV-10. With reversible props, it could
back up. However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards
over onto its tail.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying
Major, USAF Retired
F-4G and OV-10 Pilot
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css"
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
> Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there
> are
> no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:27 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rocket-list
> Subject: Rocket-List: .Preaching to the choir...again
>
>
> I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the
> brakes"
> warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail
> draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM
and/or
> C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear
> up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have &
> those who will". KABONG Do Not Archive...It's in there several times
> already.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Springer"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
>>
>> Probably good advice to anyone that is not comfortable doing it. As I
>>> Meant to reply to this thread sooner but this advice should never be
>>> forgotten!!!
>>> I have a -6 with 160 HP fixed pitch and learnt the hard way!
>>> During run up to 2000rpm, stick right back, a gust of wind fron the side
>>> removed the prop wash and any down force I might have had to keep my
>>> tail
>
>>> on the ground and -you guessed it - KABOOM. I had my hand on the
>>> throttle
>
>>> and chopped the engine immediately but over she went!! New prop,
engine
>>> strip and all that.
>>> To say that one can lift the tail etc.....If the a/c is not tied down
be
>>> very wary about taking power with the brakes on - same thing never
apply
>>> brakes with power on - especially that time when you are doing a power
>>> check and you didn't have enough pressure on the pedals and stomp on the
>>> brakes when you notice the a/c creeping forward!! watch out, that little
>>> bit of inertia might just be enough to tip you over. Many Airliners can
>>> reverse be means of utilising reverse thrust but this practise is
banned
>>> by most companies and if permitted, bold letters to not use
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| Subject: | Aluminum spinner |
Murphy says "No Spinners".
Thanks for the possibility.
Mike
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Shannon
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
I bought one from Murphy a few years back might want to give them a try
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
Looking for a polished aluminum spinner. Only archive reference is the
Orndorff's and they no longer carry em.
Anyone know where I can get one?
Need a 13" for my 2 blade hartzell.
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Aluminum spinner |
Hi Mike,
Since you've probably tried Spruce, Hartzell and Mark Frederick's sources, did
you try the Mooney folks? Also, there is an aircraft salvage yard in Sacramento
(Kenny Faith) and one in TX who might have it. Google aircraft salvage and
Kenny should pop up. Since the Aztec shares it as well, worst case you can buy
it from Piper sources. You might bounce an email off the Harmon Folks as well.
Seeya!
www.harmonrocket.com
Smokey
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No Spinners.
Thanks for the possibility.
Mike
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shannon
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:47 PM
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
I bought one from Murphy a few years back might want to give them a try
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:59 AM
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
Looking for a polished aluminum spinner. Only archive reference is the Orndorffs
and they no longer carry em.
Anyone know where I can get one?
Need a 13 for my 2 blade hartzell.
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Aluminum spinner |
Smokey,
Ye spoke to Hartzell, Spruce, John Harmon. No joy on them. The rockets
use a 15". Way to big for my RV cowl.
Best shot right now is a couple prop shops that have lots of spinners on
the shelf for me to go take a look at.
Ill call Kenny. Thanks for the lead.
Kahuna
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
Hi Mike,
Since you've probably tried Spruce, Hartzell and Mark Frederick's
sources, did you try the Mooney folks? Also, there is an aircraft
salvage yard in Sacramento (Kenny Faith) and one in TX who might have
it. Google aircraft salvage and Kenny should pop up. Since the Aztec
shares it as well, worst case you can buy it from Piper sources. You
might bounce an email off the Harmon Folks as well. Seeya!
www.harmonrocket.com
Smokey
"Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com> wrote:
Murphy says "No Spinners".
Thanks for the possibility.
Mike
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Shannon
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
I bought one from Murphy a few years back might want to give them a try
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Aluminum spinner
Looking for a polished aluminum spinner. Only archive reference is the
Orndorff's and they no longer carry em.
Anyone know where I can get one?
Need a 13" for my 2 blade hartzell.
Thanks
Mike
Super 8
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