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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? (Rob Ray)
2. 09:10 AM - Re: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? (J Nelson)
3. 09:28 AM - RV-8 kit vs F-1 (Dave Lind)
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| Subject: | Re: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? |
Richard,
I bought RV8 QB kit #15 from the original owner in 99. I sold it in 2001. It
was an excellent product with outstanding rivet work and fit of parts. The fuselage
was back-riveted and of the highest quality of workmanship. It wasn't however,
my RV4.
I thought Van had reached "nirvana" in kit building with this QB until I saw
one of Mark Fredericks HPA F-1 Rocket QB kits at Oshkosh. HPA is in the Czech
Republic, formerly building Migs and other factory aircraft. The workmanship and
kit quality is easily equal to and in my humble opinion better than Van's QB
kits.
It doesn't take a Rocket scientist :) to realize the F-1 is a better looking
and performing airplane, the RV4 of the new millenium.
My 2 cents..
Rob Ray
HR2 #76
As someone who's owned a 360 Long EZ and a 540 Berkut - the power to
weight and roll rate can be fixed.
However.
An acquaintance of mine at work is thinking about building a
homebuilt. He was leaning toward a fixed gear Lancair Legacy. I'm
urging him towards an RV-8 or F1. My question is - how does the F1
quick build kit compare to the RV quick build?
At 09:31 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>I just noticed your comment on the rocket list regarding Rocket vs
>Long EZ fun factor. The Harmon is more fun. This is primarily a
>function of the increase in the power to weight ratio, increased
>roll authority, and control harmony. Additional factors are full
>stall capability, and the somewhat intangible but considerable tail
>wheel attraction (I learned to fly in a tail dragger and was forever smitten).
>
>But: the efficiency, compound curves and unique appearance of a
>well done EZ are unmatched in my judgment. The semi reclining
>position (with excellent visibility) is wonderful and enables a
>person to fly very long distances in comfort. :-) If I was not
>fortunate enough to have enjoyed both, but had to pick one: The
>Long EZ. Mine forever changed my life and gave me experiences I
>will forever cherish.
>
>Stay warm up there,
>
>dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? |
Yes the F-1 tail is designed for the higher speeds of the rocket and is
beefed up at key attachments compared to an RV-4 tail. However RV-4 tails
has proved to be up to the task with hundreds of HRII and some F-1s (mine
included) that fly with RV-4 tails.
Greg Nelson
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison?
Greg, it was mentioned yesterday that the tail was more stout than a
typical RV kit. What exactly was changed?
John Cox
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Nelson
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison?
I think you will find the F-1 kit to be of outstanding quality, and the
end
product is multiple orders of magnitude better than an RV-8. My
un-biased
opinion of course, being an F-1 kit builder and now pilot :)
You get a better engine, the IO-540. A better looking aircraft IMO, and
you
get more top speed, shorter take off rolls, faster roll rates, amazing
acceleration, virtually the same fuel flows at the same speeds if you
can
get yourself to fly that slow, and a climb rate comparison in public
would
simply not be in good taste, so we will not talk about that.
Honestly I would not hesitate to recommend an F-1 kit if it's in your
budget.
Greg Nelson
N144X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Riley
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison?
As someone who's owned a 360 Long EZ and a 540 Berkut - the power to
weight and roll rate can be fixed.
However.
An acquaintance of mine at work is thinking about building a
homebuilt. He was leaning toward a fixed gear Lancair Legacy. I'm
urging him towards an RV-8 or F1. My question is - how does the F1
quick build kit compare to the RV quick build?
At 09:31 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>I just noticed your comment on the rocket list regarding Rocket vs
>Long EZ fun factor. The Harmon is more fun. This is primarily a
>function of the increase in the power to weight ratio, increased
>roll authority, and control harmony. Additional factors are full
>stall capability, and the somewhat intangible but considerable tail
>wheel attraction (I learned to fly in a tail dragger and was forever
smitten).
>
>But: the efficiency, compound curves and unique appearance of a
>well done EZ are unmatched in my judgment. The semi reclining
>position (with excellent visibility) is wonderful and enables a
>person to fly very long distances in comfort. :-) If I was not
>fortunate enough to have enjoyed both, but had to pick one: The
>Long EZ. Mine forever changed my life and gave me experiences I
>will forever cherish.
>
>Stay warm up there,
>
>dave
>
>
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Hi Richard,
Long time no see. My comments on the above would have to fall in the
unqualified category, since I did not build either one. But I did
purchase an F1 kit (since sold) and I have been on the F1 builders list
long enough to get a feel for the reaction of project owners. I have
talked with several RV-8 builders & owners of course.
In my opinion if ease of construction, throughness of plans and overall
quality of kit would be the deciding factor the RV-8 is the choice.
But if the end result is the major consideration, the F1 is your
target. Looks, performance, panache -- there is not much of a
comparison in my judgment.
However, to anyone who does not relish the actually building process:
BUY, don't build. Here I am somewhat qualified, having done both.
dave
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