---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/11/07: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? (Rob Ray) 2. 09:10 AM - Re: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? (J Nelson) 3. 09:28 AM - RV-8 kit vs F-1 (Dave Lind) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:05 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? Richard, I bought RV8 QB kit #15 from the original owner in 99. I sold it in 2001. It was an excellent product with outstanding rivet work and fit of parts. The fuselage was back-riveted and of the highest quality of workmanship. It wasn't however, my RV4. I thought Van had reached "nirvana" in kit building with this QB until I saw one of Mark Fredericks HPA F-1 Rocket QB kits at Oshkosh. HPA is in the Czech Republic, formerly building Migs and other factory aircraft. The workmanship and kit quality is easily equal to and in my humble opinion better than Van's QB kits. It doesn't take a Rocket scientist :) to realize the F-1 is a better looking and performing airplane, the RV4 of the new millenium. My 2 cents.. Rob Ray HR2 #76 As someone who's owned a 360 Long EZ and a 540 Berkut - the power to weight and roll rate can be fixed. However. An acquaintance of mine at work is thinking about building a homebuilt. He was leaning toward a fixed gear Lancair Legacy. I'm urging him towards an RV-8 or F1. My question is - how does the F1 quick build kit compare to the RV quick build? At 09:31 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote: > > >Hi Tim, > >I just noticed your comment on the rocket list regarding Rocket vs >Long EZ fun factor. The Harmon is more fun. This is primarily a >function of the increase in the power to weight ratio, increased >roll authority, and control harmony. Additional factors are full >stall capability, and the somewhat intangible but considerable tail >wheel attraction (I learned to fly in a tail dragger and was forever smitten). > >But: the efficiency, compound curves and unique appearance of a >well done EZ are unmatched in my judgment. The semi reclining >position (with excellent visibility) is wonderful and enables a >person to fly very long distances in comfort. :-) If I was not >fortunate enough to have enjoyed both, but had to pick one: The >Long EZ. Mine forever changed my life and gave me experiences I >will forever cherish. > >Stay warm up there, > >dave > > --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:13 AM PST US From: "J Nelson" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? Yes the F-1 tail is designed for the higher speeds of the rocket and is beefed up at key attachments compared to an RV-4 tail. However RV-4 tails has proved to be up to the task with hundreds of HRII and some F-1s (mine included) that fly with RV-4 tails. Greg Nelson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? Greg, it was mentioned yesterday that the tail was more stout than a typical RV kit. What exactly was changed? John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Nelson Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? I think you will find the F-1 kit to be of outstanding quality, and the end product is multiple orders of magnitude better than an RV-8. My un-biased opinion of course, being an F-1 kit builder and now pilot :) You get a better engine, the IO-540. A better looking aircraft IMO, and you get more top speed, shorter take off rolls, faster roll rates, amazing acceleration, virtually the same fuel flows at the same speeds if you can get yourself to fly that slow, and a climb rate comparison in public would simply not be in good taste, so we will not talk about that. Honestly I would not hesitate to recommend an F-1 kit if it's in your budget. Greg Nelson N144X -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Riley Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Recent post on Rocket list/qb comparison? As someone who's owned a 360 Long EZ and a 540 Berkut - the power to weight and roll rate can be fixed. However. An acquaintance of mine at work is thinking about building a homebuilt. He was leaning toward a fixed gear Lancair Legacy. I'm urging him towards an RV-8 or F1. My question is - how does the F1 quick build kit compare to the RV quick build? At 09:31 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote: > > >Hi Tim, > >I just noticed your comment on the rocket list regarding Rocket vs >Long EZ fun factor. The Harmon is more fun. This is primarily a >function of the increase in the power to weight ratio, increased >roll authority, and control harmony. Additional factors are full >stall capability, and the somewhat intangible but considerable tail >wheel attraction (I learned to fly in a tail dragger and was forever smitten). > >But: the efficiency, compound curves and unique appearance of a >well done EZ are unmatched in my judgment. The semi reclining >position (with excellent visibility) is wonderful and enables a >person to fly very long distances in comfort. :-) If I was not >fortunate enough to have enjoyed both, but had to pick one: The >Long EZ. Mine forever changed my life and gave me experiences I >will forever cherish. > >Stay warm up there, > >dave > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:04 AM PST US From: Dave Lind Subject: Rocket-List: RV-8 kit vs F-1 Hi Richard, Long time no see. My comments on the above would have to fall in the unqualified category, since I did not build either one. But I did purchase an F1 kit (since sold) and I have been on the F1 builders list long enough to get a feel for the reaction of project owners. I have talked with several RV-8 builders & owners of course. In my opinion if ease of construction, throughness of plans and overall quality of kit would be the deciding factor the RV-8 is the choice. But if the end result is the major consideration, the F1 is your target. Looks, performance, panache -- there is not much of a comparison in my judgment. However, to anyone who does not relish the actually building process: BUY, don't build. Here I am somewhat qualified, having done both. dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rocket-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Rocket-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rocket-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.