---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/27/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Insurance (JOHNTMEY@aol.com) 2. 06:59 AM - Re: Insurance (CalBru@aol.com) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: (nico css) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: (Red Hamilton) 5. 12:28 PM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/26/07 (Dave Lind) 6. 12:48 PM - Insurance companies (Jim Stone) 7. 12:52 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Fred Weaver) 8. 12:56 PM - Re: Insurance companies Ditto (JOHNTMEY@aol.com) 9. 01:01 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Rob Ray) 10. 01:20 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Jim Stone) 11. 01:20 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Rob Ray) 12. 02:34 PM - Re: Insurance companies (vft@aol.com) 13. 02:58 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Jim Stone) 14. 04:58 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Fred Weaver) 15. 07:29 PM - Re: Insurance companies (Rob Ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:56 AM PST US From: JOHNTMEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance Larry, Once upon a time, Les Featherstone in Missouri was offering help ..., regarding getting checked out. 15 hours is a bit of a stretch. There is no Rocket that is a commercial unit so any time you get is courtesy of the owner and his good grace. Too bad the insurance co's are anal about this. My rec (with disclaimer). Manage the risk ! Get time in RV-4, RV-6, -8, any RV tailwheel, any tailwheel, get a Rocket ride, F-1 ride... and if you are feeling proficient... just go fly your Rocket 1st flight on a calm day. If you built it right and got everything torqued correctly, it will be a pussy-cat. You may end up flying 15 hours without totally being covered according to your carrier. Nevermind that you are a test pilot flying off 25 (or 50) hours of gov't required flight test program, investigating the envelope, finding Va, Vx, Vy and all sorts of stuff... which the insurance co never figured into their relevance. When you buy the insurance and sign the premium check, aren't you betting you will crash ? What will the cause be... engine quits ? Or will you screw up a landing ? If after you get some exposure in similar type,.. and you actually seriously think you are going to crash yours, better not fly it ...ever. (My disclaimer would be that I may be totally full of ****! ) I'm a CFI and have a Rocket with dual contols ... have put young pilots in the front seat, no biggie. But I don't do touch-and-goes nor actual instruction. The Rocket time is too valuable and too fleeting to measure. I barely meet your insurance co's time-in-type req (60 hrs) and I have been an owner-flyer for 18 months. If you come to the Olympic Peninsula, I'll give you 30 minutes and a couple landings, no charge except you buy lunch. You can probably find closer and more pertinent help around Colorado. Check with the RVers around DEN. Rich Winnick has F-1 but I doubt he would "rent" the beast. Others ? Good luck... we hope to hear good things about your 1st flight. JohnM N5800 Sequim, WA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:14 AM PST US From: CalBru@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance I trained for a couple of hours with Craig Fordam at Boulder City, NV in his Extra 300, then went up and spent some time in Scapoose, OR with Mike Seager--the RV CFI. I highly recommend him. My first landing was still probably my best; I flew naked for 20 hours until I could qualify for insurance. I did not have an "hours with a CFI" requirement, which I now am confronted with in my new Bearhawk! Cal F1 N954CB 120 hours ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:58 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Wouldn't they consider covering the plane while a CFI with those qualifications are flying your Rocket? That way you don't have to use someone else's machine. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of laboggan@mywdo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Rocket-List: I am getting ready to insure my plane for first flights and for flying. I have to find someone that I can get 15 hours of instruction from a CFI in a Harmon Rocket. The insurance company has some exact guidelines I have to complete to get insured. The CFI has to have 1000pic, 250 tailwheel, 50 in a Harmon Rocket, no accidents, incidents, violations, etc...and I have to take these 15 hours in a Harmon Rocket. If anyone has this and is willing to do this with me please let me know what you would want for doing it...$$$$. I live in Colorado Springs but looks like I'll have to travel to get this done. Seems Harmon Rockets have some pretty stiff insurance requirements and a nice large cost. I'm not willing to fly without it... anyone willing to help, please email me. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:06 AM PST US From: "Red Hamilton" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: If you are a member of the Antique/Classic division of EAA, there is a program that includes homebuilts/tailwheels/high performance/handpropping that required no time in type (not a Rocket in my case) to have insurance including first flight; assuming that you have used the EAA tech counselor and flight advisor programs and can document that. Red ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Wouldn't they consider covering the plane while a CFI with those qualifications are flying your Rocket? That way you don't have to use someone else's machine. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of laboggan@mywdo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:22 PM To: rocket-list@matronics.com Subject: Rocket-List: I am getting ready to insure my plane for first flights and for flying. I have to find someone that I can get 15 hours of instruction from a CFI in a Harmon Rocket. The insurance company has some exact guidelines I have to complete to get insured. The CFI has to have 1000pic, 250 tailwheel, 50 in a Harmon Rocket, no accidents, incidents, violations, etc...and I have to take these 15 hours in a Harmon Rocket. If anyone has this and is willing to do this with me please let me know what you would want for doing it...$$$$. I live in Colorado Springs but looks like I'll have to travel to get this done. Seems Harmon Rockets have some pretty stiff insurance requirements and a nice large cost. I'm not willing to fly without it... anyone willing to help, please email me. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:59 PM PST US From: Dave Lind Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/26/07 On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Rocket-List Digest Server wrote: > laboggan@mywdo.com> Would address you by name if I knew it.... A little more than two years ago I was in a similar circumstance. I was about to purchase a Harmon II and based on my reading of their requirements I thought I had to get instruction in a Harmon. But it turned out it was just any tailwheel aircraft of that 'type' and I took the instruction and received an endorsement from the person that Vans recommends (not far from Portland,Oregon) in his RV-7. dave lind 530 284-1433 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:41 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Rocket-List: Insurance companies I am looking for insurance on my Rocket. Can you fellas give me some names of companies who will insure Rockets please? Thanks, Jim Stone PS. Calling Avemco today ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:54 PM PST US From: Fred Weaver Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Gee whiz Jim.... Why don't you call the most expensive guys first? Make your calls to EAA and Falcon. They have the right programs. Weav Jim Stone wrote: > I am looking for insurance on my Rocket. Can you fellas give me some > names of companies who will insure Rockets please? > Thanks, > Jim Stone > PS. Calling Avemco today > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:17 PM PST US From: JOHNTMEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Ditto Ditto Falcon... JohnM N5800 Sequim WA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:39 PM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies AUA in North carolina. 1-800-727-3823 RR Jim Stone wrote: I am looking for insurance on my Rocket. Can you fellas give me some names of companies who will insure Rockets please? Thanks, Jim Stone PS. Calling Avemco today --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:14 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Falcon sez they do not insure HR. They recommended Avemco or London. Avemco does not insure you for Phase I of the Test program and yet they appear to be closely associated with EAA. Any ideas on who else to call? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies > > Gee whiz Jim.... Why don't you call the most expensive guys first? Make > your calls to EAA and Falcon. They have the right programs. > Weav > > Jim Stone wrote: >> I am looking for insurance on my Rocket. Can you fellas give me some >> names of companies who will insure Rockets please? >> Thanks, >> Jim Stone >> PS. Calling Avemco today >> * >> >> >> * >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:40 PM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies AUA in NC 1800-727-3823.. RR Rob Ray wrote: --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies From: vft@aol.com Cannon Insurance will cover F1's but not the HR2.?You can contact?them here: http://www.cannonaviation.com/ Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory -----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:08 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Rob, the below is all I got from you, was there more? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ray To: rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:54 PM PST US From: Fred Weaver Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Jim and all.... I've had recent experience with Nationair on some RV policies. Give Jenny Estes a call as she is quite knowledgeable about these airplanes and might be able to help. Their phone number is 636.532.0023. They are also reasonable when it comes to the checkout with your airplane because they understand there aren't a lot of CFI's that are capable of doing the job. It's better to have a competent Rocket pilot check you out and provide the familiarization flights. Then you don't wad up your new plane because you've had the right stuff. I can help almost anyone get squared away that really needs it. Most of you guys could just get in and fly it... The Rocket is a very nice plane to fly and won't bite you unless you are really not paying any attention at all..... Again, I think you should ask for Jenny... Weav ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:15 PM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies AUA insurance in NC, I recommend them highly... RR Jim Stone wrote: Rob, the below is all I got from you, was there more? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ray To: rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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