---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/29/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 (Jeff Linebaugh) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 (Rob Ray) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 (Wolfgang Meyn) 4. 08:56 AM - Re: (nico css) 5. 11:21 AM - RV8 Rocket (Max Hegler) 6. 11:25 AM - () 7. 12:04 PM - Re: RV8 Rocket (Michael W Stewart) 8. 02:06 PM - Re: (Rob Ray) 9. 02:14 PM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 (Jeff Linebaugh) 10. 02:28 PM - Re: Insurance stuff (Fred Weaver) 11. 02:30 PM - Re: Insurance stuff (Fred Weaver) 12. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: RV8 Rocket () 13. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: RV8 Rocket (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:21 AM PST US From: "Jeff Linebaugh" Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 $1500 for full coverage? Smokey...you are the man! That is at least half what everyone else has been paying...most are in the order of $3K. Who wrote your policy? I understand there are only two companies writing policies... Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:11 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: I pay $1500 a year for full hull coverage on a 96 HR2. AUA insurance in NC 1800-727-3823. RR laboggan@mywdo.com wrote: thanks everyone for the help. Jim, London is who is quoting me my insurance on my rocket. Only 5 grand a year...........meaning, I won't be owning this plane long. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Thanks Weav! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies > > > Jim and all.... > I've had recent experience with Nationair on some RV policies. Give > Jenny Estes a call as she is quite knowledgeable about these airplanes > and might be able to help. Their phone number is 636.532.0023. They are > also reasonable when it comes to the checkout with your airplane because > they understand there aren't a lot of CFI's that are capable of doing > the job. It's better to have a competent Rocket pilot check you out and > provide the familiarization flights. Then you don't wad up your new > plane because you've had the right stuff. I can help almost anyone get > squared away that really needs it. Most of you guys could just get in > and fly it... The Rocket is a very nice plane to fly and won't bite you > unless you are really not paying any attention at all..... > > Again, I think you should ask for Jenny... > Weav > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:40 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 Jeff, Be careful, my data plate says RV4 and I think it went to the carrier as an RV4. It might be less because of that. When you talk to AUA ask for Rob Kamsch and see what he can work out. Quotes are free... RR Jeff Linebaugh wrote: $1500 for full coverage? Smokey...you are the man! That is at least half what everyone else has been paying...most are in the order of $3K. Who wrote your policy? I understand there are only two companies writing policies... Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:11 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: I pay $1500 a year for full hull coverage on a 96 HR2. AUA insurance in NC 1800-727-3823. RR laboggan@mywdo.com wrote: thanks everyone for the help. Jim, London is who is quoting me my insurance on my rocket. Only 5 grand a year...........meaning, I won't be owning this plane long. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Thanks Weav! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies > > > Jim and all.... > I've had recent experience with Nationair on some RV policies. Give > Jenny Estes a call as she is quite knowledgeable about these airplanes > and might be able to help. Their phone number is 636.532.0023. They are > also reasonable when it comes to the checkout with your airplane because > they understand there aren't a lot of CFI's that are capable of doing > the job. It's better to have a competent Rocket pilot check you out and > provide the familiarization flights. Then you don't wad up your new > plane because you've had the right stuff. I can help almost anyone get > squared away that really needs it. Most of you guys could just get in > and fly it... The Rocket is a very nice plane to fly and won't bite you > unless you are really not paying any attention at all..... > > Again, I think you should ask for Jenny... > Weav > > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:13 AM PST US From: "Wolfgang Meyn" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 Well, my policy just came up for renewal. Falcon told me that they do not write new policies but they renew the existing ones which in my case (and acc. to them in everybody else's) go through GLOBAL. What I got was $ 450.00 for liability and 1.83% of the hull value (all risk). My premium for 2007/08 didn't change. The only guys who write new policies are the Cannon guys out of Scottsdale http://www.cannonaviation.com/index.php (talk to Todd Smith). They also require a certain amount of dual and from what I remember are not insuring the 20/40 initial hours. The premium they quoted me was about $1000.00 higher than what I pay with Falcon. I guess there rates are about 2.4% of hull value. Cheers Wolfgang (F1 140hrs,) PS.: I hold ATP,MEI,CFI,CFII and got about 5000 hrs (500 TW). total with no accidents but I think this didn't do much for my rates. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 $1500 for full coverage? Smokey...you are the man! That is at least half what everyone else has been paying...most are in the order of $3K. Who wrote your policy? I understand there are only two companies writing policies... Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:11 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: I pay $1500 a year for full hull coverage on a 96 HR2. AUA insurance in NC 1800-727-3823. RR laboggan@mywdo.com wrote: thanks everyone for the help. Jim, London is who is quoting me my insurance on my rocket. Only 5 grand a year...........meaning, I won't be owning this plane long. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies Thanks Weav! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance companies > > > Jim and all.... > I've had recent experience with Nationair on some RV policies. Give > Jenny Estes a call as she is quite knowledgeable about these airplanes > and might be able to help. Their phone number is 636.532.0023. They are > also reasonable when it comes to the checkout with your airplane because > they understand there aren't a lot of CFI's that are capable of doing > the job. It's better to have a competent Rocket pilot check you out and > provide the familiarization flights. Then you don't wad up your new > plane because you've had the right stuff. I can help almost anyone get > squared away that really needs it. Most of you guys could just get in > and fly it... The Rocket is a very nice plane to fly and won't bite you > unless you are really not paying any attention at all..... > > Again, I think you should ask for Jenny... > Weav > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:16 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Are we being spammed? _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: _____ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:09 AM PST US From: "Max Hegler" Subject: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket Do any of the Rocket or F1 derivatives use the RV 8 as a basis? I am wondering if I can use the RV-8 fuselage with the tapered wings from a Rocket or F1. Thanks, Max ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:56 AM PST US From: Subject: Rocket-List: If your insurance says RV-4 it will not cover you in a big accident. Same when you give a fake address on car insurance..they will pay small claims but if you end up with a big one they will do everything they can to not pay... all they have to do is prove you falsified the contract with them. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket From: Michael W Stewart There are RV-8's with 540's on them. You would not be able to use the 8 fuse with the evo wing without serio us modification. The wing root and carry through are completely different as are the rea r spar connects and dimensions. Best, Mike "Max Hegler" To Sent by: owner-rocket-list cc -server@matronics .com Subj ect Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket 06/29/2007 02:16 PM Please respond to rocket-list@matro nics.com Do any of the Rocket or F1 derivatives use the RV 8 as a basis? I am wondering if I can use the RV-8 fuselage with the tapered wings from a Rocket or F1. Thanks, Max ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:58 PM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Laboggan, I spoke with my agent briefly today. As far as AIG is concerned, the Rocket is a hybrid RV with alot of HP insured for the value stated. Having dealt with AUA for 15 years and had friends with claims, falsification is not an issue. It has everything to do with what is on the data plate. If your FAA registry says RV4, that is how it insured.If it says HR2 then you go with it. Every experimental is a "one of a kind" in the FAA eyes and insurance companies. RV's have "safety in numbers" but are still considered "homebuilts". If it happens to have a 540 in it and costs 85K+, then so be it. Since the Rocket is 80% RV4 parts, you have a case to call it an RV4...It's worth investigating. RR laboggan@mywdo.com wrote: If your insurance says RV-4 it will not cover you in a big accident. Same when you give a fake address on car insurance..they will pay small claims but if you end up with a big one they will do everything they can to not pay... all they have to do is prove you falsified the contract with them. --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:27 PM PST US Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 06/28/07 From: "Jeff Linebaugh" Rob, Eeecks....so if you ball'd it up, you think they'd write you a check? As for free quotes...taint the case... The insurance companies have got that locked up...you can't get a quote unless you sign an exclusive agreement with that broker to get you a quote...that way you can't shop around, and they don't have to do mulitple quotes. That is why I asked who your insurance policy is with... Jeff Jeff, Be careful, my data plate says RV4 and I think it went to the carrier as an RV4. It might be less because of that. When you talk to AUA ask for Rob Kamsch and see what he can work out. Quotes are free... RR -------- Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net Collierville, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121255#121255 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:44 PM PST US From: Fred Weaver Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Insurance stuff Incorrect.... Jeff, this only happens when you "surrender" your N Number. If you are getting quotes, you don't have to provide an N number but they don't tell you that. All you have to do to get quotes is tell them you haven't finished yet but you are shopping. That way, they can't "Lock you up"... And Yes, I think if Rob balled it up, they would pay. It's all about the numbers you give them. They work the premiums around the numbers. If Rob provided a hull value that he was comfortable with, I'm sure the premium represents it. Weav Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > > Rob, > > Eeecks....so if you ball'd it up, you think they'd write you a check? > > As for free quotes...taint the case... The insurance companies have got that locked up...you can't get a quote unless you sign an exclusive agreement with that broker to get you a quote...that way you can't shop around, and they don't have to do mulitple quotes. > > That is why I asked who your insurance policy is with... > > Jeff > > > Jeff, > > Be careful, my data plate says RV4 and I think it went to the carrier as an RV4. It might be less because of that. When you talk to AUA ask for Rob Kamsch and see what he can work out. Quotes are free... > > RR > > -------- > Jeff Linebaugh > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > Collierville, TN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121255#121255 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:47 PM PST US From: Fred Weaver Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Insurance stuff Incorrect.... Jeff, this only happens when you "surrender" your N Number. If you are getting quotes, you don't have to provide an N number but they don't tell you that. All you have to do to get quotes is tell them you haven't finished yet but you are shopping. That way, they can't "Lock you up"... And Yes, I think if Rob balled it up, they would pay. It's all about the numbers you give them. They work the premiums around the numbers. If Rob provided a hull value that he was comfortable with, I'm sure the premium represents it. Weav Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > > Rob, > > Eeecks....so if you ball'd it up, you think they'd write you a check? > > As for free quotes...taint the case... The insurance companies have got that locked up...you can't get a quote unless you sign an exclusive agreement with that broker to get you a quote...that way you can't shop around, and they don't have to do mulitple quotes. > > That is why I asked who your insurance policy is with... > > Jeff > > > Jeff, > > Be careful, my data plate says RV4 and I think it went to the carrier as an RV4. It might be less because of that. When you talk to AUA ask for Rob Kamsch and see what he can work out. Quotes are free... > > RR > > -------- > Jeff Linebaugh > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > Collierville, TN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121255#121255 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:35 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket Sorry I just don't get it. Why would you use a -8 to make a "Rocket". Gear leg boxes to get in the way of your feet. Less room overall. If you want a Rocket, build one...HRII or F-1, slower (HRII)build or QB (F-1). Take your pick unless ya "need" pre-punched. Do Not Archive KABONG HRII N561FS.....waiting on the RV-12 >From: Michael W Stewart >Date: 2007/06/29 Fri PM 02:01:28 CDT >To: rocket-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket > >There are RV-8's with 540's on them. >You would not be able to use the 8 fuse with the evo wing without serious modification. >The wing root and carry through are completely different as are the rear spar connects and dimensions. >Best, >Mike > >"Max Hegler" >Subject >Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket >Do any of the Rocket or F1 derivatives use the RV 8 as a basis? I am wondering if I can use the RV-8 fuselage with the tapered wings from a Rocket or F1. > >Thanks, >Max ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:07 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket RV-12? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jhstarn@verizon.net Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket Sorry I just don't get it. Why would you use a -8 to make a "Rocket". Gear leg boxes to get in the way of your feet. Less room overall. If you want a Rocket, build one...HRII or F-1, slower (HRII)build or QB (F-1). Take your pick unless ya "need" pre-punched. Do Not Archive KABONG HRII N561FS.....waiting on the RV-12 >From: Michael W Stewart >Date: 2007/06/29 Fri PM 02:01:28 CDT >To: rocket-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket > >There are RV-8's with 540's on them. >You would not be able to use the 8 fuse with the evo wing without serious modification. >The wing root and carry through are completely different as are the rear spar connects and dimensions. >Best, >Mike > >"Max Hegler" >Subject >Rocket-List: RV8 Rocket >Do any of the Rocket or F1 derivatives use the RV 8 as a basis? I am wondering if I can use the RV-8 fuselage with the tapered wings from a Rocket or F1. > >Thanks, >Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rocket-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Rocket-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rocket-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.