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1. 06:56 AM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/26/08 (Frazier, Vincent A)
2. 09:02 AM - Front seat fresh air? (Chris Fordham)
3. 11:36 AM - cockpit cooling (Larry James)
4. 12:29 PM - Re: Front seat fresh air? (Tom Martin)
5. 04:41 PM - Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here in New Zealand! (ACTIVE NZ - Andrew)
6. 05:39 PM - Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here in New Zealand! (H.Ivan Haecker)
7. 07:01 PM - Re: cockpit cooling (Rob Ray)
8. 07:01 PM - Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here in New Zealand! (nico css)
9. 07:04 PM - Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here in New Zealand! (nico css)
10. 07:36 PM - Re: cockpit cooling (Jim Stone)
11. 07:54 PM - Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here in New Zealand! (winingsj@aol.com)
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| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/26/08 |
SNIP Time: 09:40:23 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
Boy am I P_SSed.
Vince, you drove right by my house and you didn't stop to say hello.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive SNIP
Yes, I know! I would have liked to have stopped at Bakersfield and
several other places but couldn't! Doh! We did stop for a burger at
the In-N-Out in Bakersfield. Yum. We need a few of those here!
Regrets,
Vince
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| Subject: | Front seat fresh air? |
Hey Vince
I'm at the same place, having put a NACA vent under the wing - works
great for the rear seater, I haven't put anything up front for myself yet, I
was trying to run a vent behind the tank and in front of the spar for the
fresh air for the front seat, not enough room behind the tank unless you
enclosed the whole space and then funneled it into a hose somehow. Did you
come up with any other ideas? Starting to get warm here in southern B.C.
Tom M. did you go with 1" hoses in the wing root or was there room
enough for a bigger size?
do not archive
Thanks
Chris
(CFHRK)
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I'm not flying yet but have put some thought into this. I have a NACA duct
on the bottom of both wings; one for the pilot and one for the PAX (a la
RV-8). One of my decision factors is the sad case of another pilot in the
northwest that lost his life due to a firewall forward fire. I have heard
the evidence showed he had burns on his left leg from the standard RV-8 NACA
duct inlet. My option is to have no air inlets aft of the cowl. Besides,
as Vince has said "why not enjoy the cool air from the wing NACA ducts
anyway?"
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket under construction
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| Subject: | Front seat fresh air? |
I used a 2" hose but one and a half would be large enough. It will work
with glass wing root farings, there may not be enough room it you have the
flat metal wrap around farings. It might be possible to put a naca duct on
the bottom of the wing root faring but I would be concerned about exhaust
and fuel fumes entering the cockpit in that location.
Tom Martin
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fordham
Sent: May 27, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Front seat fresh air?
Hey Vince
I'm at the same place, having put a NACA vent under the wing - works
great for the rear seater, I haven't put anything up front for myself yet, I
was trying to run a vent behind the tank and in front of the spar for the
fresh air for the front seat, not enough room behind the tank unless you
enclosed the whole space and then funneled it into a hose somehow. Did you
come up with any other ideas? Starting to get warm here in southern B.C.
Tom M. did you go with 1" hoses in the wing root or was there room
enough for a bigger size?
do not archive
Thanks
Chris
(CFHRK)
Checked by AVG.
12:00 AM
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12:00 AM
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| Subject: | Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here |
in New Zealand!
Hi guys. As a long list time lurker from New Zealand...
I'm really keen on getting some rear rudder pedals in my Rocket, as my
main instructor won't fly with me without them. I apologise if this
question has been asked before - anyone know the simplest/easiest (but
robust) way to retrofit??? I saw a really nice set on a Rocket in a tiny
place in the Sierras, just north of Lake Tahoe, and got the gentleman's
contact details, but then stupidly mislaid them. I'll drop in next time
I'm fling around the US, unless anyone knows the name of the guy who
lives with his Rocket and pilot-wife in a tiny town northwest of Reno
by, I'm not sure, maybe 100 miles? I seem to recall he's very close to
Sierra Springs. He had a VERY elegant set of pedals, and I'd love to
copy them - or see if anyone here has any good
suggestions/diagrams/photos.
Also, Rocketeers, just repeating my invitation, made a couple of years
ago, to some of the coolest flying in the world, down here in New
Zealand. I live in Queenstown, which is a must-stop on any NZ vacation
anyway. I fly my Rocket off a little farm strip, but we are right next
to the Southern Alps, which means some stunning scenery. All Rocketeers
are welcome, should you ever be on vacation in NZ - we have a spare
room, an HRII, and....well what else couldja need? :)
I gather New Zealand's second Rocket has just been built. Our first
indigenous one, I guess. Mine came from Carl Wright in Camarillo, and is
a very well built aircraft. I've put 500 hours on it since then. And we
have another Rocket just being started in a small town in Southland,
called Gore. I talked to the builder, and it sounds like he may have run
into one or two of the people on this list on a recent reserach trip to
the US. He's a very nice guy - John Bowles, I think, is his name - and
is well worth helping out. He's already built an RV4, so this isn't his
first foray into homebuilding. I'm sure he'll build it well...
Andrew Fairfax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:16 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/26/08
--> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP Time: 09:40:23 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
Boy am I P_SSed.
Vince, you drove right by my house and you didn't stop to say hello.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive SNIP
Yes, I know! I would have liked to have stopped at Bakersfield and
several other places but couldn't! Doh! We did stop for a burger at
the In-N-Out in Bakersfield. Yum. We need a few of those here!
Regrets,
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here |
in New Zealand!
Andrew,
You might want to check out Jim Winnings' set-up for rear seat rudder
pedals. I hear his are nice but have not seen them yet. His phone # is
317-718-3415. I don't have his e-mail but have called him in the past and
found him to be very helpful.
I don't know how or when, but I'm going to NZ someday. It's one of those
"have to do before I die" kind of things. I'm 56 now and can feel the clock
ticking. I hope you still have your rocket when I get there.
Ivan Haecker rv-4 1458 hrs. S. Cen. TX (slowly building an F-1)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew@nzactive.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:35 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down
here in New Zealand!
> <andrew@nzactive.com>
>
> Hi guys. As a long list time lurker from New Zealand...
>
> I'm really keen on getting some rear rudder pedals in my Rocket,
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit cooling |
Jim/Vince,
No arguments here, I live in Central FL where humidity is manufactured and exported!
I inspected an RV4 for a friend recently that had the under wing NACA ducts
(1 each side) for cockpit cooling. The right side went to a rear eyeball
vent in the stickwell, the front had a unique snorkel duct that pointed forward
from just aft of the main spar.
The airflow inflight was excellent, equal to or better than my setup and even
worked on the ground. Also unique was his Grob Sailplane/Extra 300 canopy sliding
vent in the front cockpit ala Tony Bingelis' RV3. It also worked very well.
Very Cool :)
RR
--- On Mon, 5/26/08, Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier@usi.edu> wrote:
From: Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
Jim, I haven't had Vinces problem on my HR2. My AE buddy stressed
location was
critical in getting large volumes of cool air, which I do.
RR
Rob and others,
I certainly don't dispute that the wingroot vents get plenty of air. They
do. So do the NACA vents on the fuselage sides. However, both of those
locations are 10+ degrees F hotter than the NACA scoop under the wing. 10
degrees doesn't sound like much, but when it's already 85F and 90%
humidity, it is miserable.
Having just returned from vacation and a cross country drive from Los Angeles
to Indiana, via Death Valley where it was a comfortable 110F and <10%
humidity, I think I can safely assume that it is the humidity that makes
Indiana and Kentucky uncomfortable compared to anywhere in the western U.S. or
Canada. It gets blazing hot out west, but without the humidity, it's
nowhere near as uncomfortable as it gets here.
My whole point here is that the underwing NACA scoops are measurably cooler...
so why not enjoy the cooler air instead of the hot fuselage air if you're
making a change or building anew. It's a mistake that I won't make
again!
Vince
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| Subject: | Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here |
in New Zealand!
So, you have at least another 30 years to accomplish that...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H.Ivan Haecker
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're
down here in New Zealand!
Andrew,
You might want to check out Jim Winnings' set-up for rear seat rudder
pedals. I hear his are nice but have not seen them yet. His phone # is
317-718-3415. I don't have his e-mail but have called him in the past and
found him to be very helpful.
I don't know how or when, but I'm going to NZ someday. It's one of those
"have to do before I die" kind of things. I'm 56 now and can feel the clock
ticking. I hope you still have your rocket when I get there.
Ivan Haecker rv-4 1458 hrs. S. Cen. TX (slowly building an F-1)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew@nzactive.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:35 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down
here in New Zealand!
> <andrew@nzactive.com>
>
> Hi guys. As a long list time lurker from New Zealand...
>
> I'm really keen on getting some rear rudder pedals in my Rocket,
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| Subject: | Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here |
in New Zealand!
Hi, Andrew. Just wanted to respond to having shipped your machine from
Camarillo. It's where I go when I want to kick some tires. Just up the road
from us.
Enjoy!
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ACTIVE NZ -
Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:35 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down
here in New Zealand!
--> <andrew@nzactive.com>
Hi guys. As a long list time lurker from New Zealand...
I'm really keen on getting some rear rudder pedals in my Rocket, as my main
instructor won't fly with me without them. I apologise if this question has
been asked before - anyone know the simplest/easiest (but
robust) way to retrofit??? I saw a really nice set on a Rocket in a tiny
place in the Sierras, just north of Lake Tahoe, and got the gentleman's
contact details, but then stupidly mislaid them. I'll drop in next time I'm
fling around the US, unless anyone knows the name of the guy who lives with
his Rocket and pilot-wife in a tiny town northwest of Reno by, I'm not sure,
maybe 100 miles? I seem to recall he's very close to Sierra Springs. He had
a VERY elegant set of pedals, and I'd love to copy them - or see if anyone
here has any good suggestions/diagrams/photos.
Also, Rocketeers, just repeating my invitation, made a couple of years ago,
to some of the coolest flying in the world, down here in New Zealand. I live
in Queenstown, which is a must-stop on any NZ vacation anyway. I fly my
Rocket off a little farm strip, but we are right next to the Southern Alps,
which means some stunning scenery. All Rocketeers are welcome, should you
ever be on vacation in NZ - we have a spare room, an HRII, and....well what
else couldja need? :)
I gather New Zealand's second Rocket has just been built. Our first
indigenous one, I guess. Mine came from Carl Wright in Camarillo, and is a
very well built aircraft. I've put 500 hours on it since then. And we have
another Rocket just being started in a small town in Southland, called Gore.
I talked to the builder, and it sounds like he may have run into one or two
of the people on this list on a recent reserach trip to the US. He's a very
nice guy - John Bowles, I think, is his name - and is well worth helping
out. He's already built an RV4, so this isn't his first foray into
homebuilding. I'm sure he'll build it well...
Andrew Fairfax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:16 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/26/08
--> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP Time: 09:40:23 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
Boy am I P_SSed.
Vince, you drove right by my house and you didn't stop to say hello.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive SNIP
Yes, I know! I would have liked to have stopped at Bakersfield and several
other places but couldn't! Doh! We did stop for a burger at the In-N-Out
in Bakersfield. Yum. We need a few of those here!
Regrets,
Vince
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit cooling |
Hey Rob,
Doesn't that snorkel pick up exhaust fumes?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Ray" <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
>
> Jim/Vince,
>
> No arguments here, I live in Central FL where humidity is manufactured and
> exported! I inspected an RV4 for a friend recently that had the under wing
> NACA ducts (1 each side) for cockpit cooling. The right side went to a
> rear eyeball vent in the stickwell, the front had a unique snorkel duct
> that pointed forward from just aft of the main spar.
> The airflow inflight was excellent, equal to or better than my setup and
> even worked on the ground. Also unique was his Grob Sailplane/Extra 300
> canopy sliding vent in the front cockpit ala Tony Bingelis' RV3. It also
> worked very well.
>
> Very Cool :)
>
> RR
>
> --- On Mon, 5/26/08, Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier@usi.edu> wrote:
> From: Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier@usi.edu>
> Subject: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 8:51 PM
>
> Jim, I haven't had Vinces problem on my HR2. My AE buddy stressed
> location was
> critical in getting large volumes of cool air, which I do.
> RR
>
> Rob and others,
>
> I certainly don't dispute that the wingroot vents get plenty of air. They
> do. So do the NACA vents on the fuselage sides. However, both of those
> locations are 10+ degrees F hotter than the NACA scoop under the wing. 10
> degrees doesn't sound like much, but when it's already 85F and 90%
> humidity, it is miserable.
>
> Having just returned from vacation and a cross country drive from Los
> Angeles
> to Indiana, via Death Valley where it was a comfortable 110F and <10%
> humidity, I think I can safely assume that it is the humidity that makes
> Indiana and Kentucky uncomfortable compared to anywhere in the western
> U.S. or
> Canada. It gets blazing hot out west, but without the humidity, it's
> nowhere near as uncomfortable as it gets here.
>
> My whole point here is that the underwing NACA scoops are measurably
> cooler...
> so why not enjoy the cooler air instead of the hot fuselage air if you're
> making a change or building anew. It's a mistake that I won't make
> again!
>
> Vince
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here |
in New Zealand!
Airkit LLC has rear rudder pedals for sale.? They are the same design as mine
and I think they are really good.? They fold down out of the way when not in use.?
For more information, contact AirkitLLC@yahoo.com or you can call me at 317-718-3415.?
Jim Winings
-----Original Message-----
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew@nzactive.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 7:35 pm
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket rear rudder pedals//reminder that we're down here
in New Zealand!
Hi guys. As a long list time lurker from New Zealand...
I'm really keen on getting some rear rudder pedals in my Rocket, as my
main instructor won't fly with me without them. I apologise if this
question has been asked before - anyone know the simplest/easiest (but
robust) way to retrofit??? I saw a really nice set on a Rocket in a tiny
place in the Sierras, just north of Lake Tahoe, and got the gentleman's
contact details, but then stupidly mislaid them. I'll drop in next time
I'm fling around the US, unless anyone knows the name of the guy who
lives with his Rocket and pilot-wife in a tiny town northwest of Reno
by, I'm not sure, maybe 100 miles? I seem to recall he's very close to
Sierra Springs. He had a VERY elegant set of pedals, and I'd love to
copy them - or see if anyone here has any good
suggestions/diagrams/photos.
Also, Rocketeers, just repeating my invitation, made a couple of years
ago, to some of the coolest flying in the world, down here in New
Zealand. I live in Queenstown, which is a must-stop on any NZ vacation
anyway. I fly my Rocket off a little farm strip, but we are right next
to the Southern Alps, which means some stunning scenery. All Rocketeers
are welcome, should you ever be on vacation in NZ - we have a spare
room, an HRII, and....well what else couldja need? :)
I gather New Zealand's second Rocket has just been built. Our first
indigenous one, I guess. Mine came from Carl Wright in Camarillo, and is
a very well built aircraft. I've put 500 hours on it since then. And we
have another Rocket just being started in a small town in Southland,
called Gore. I talked to the builder, and it sounds like he may have run
into one or two of the people on this list on a recent reserach trip to
the US. He's a very nice guy - John Bowles, I think, is his name - and
is well worth helping out. He's already built an RV4, so this isn't his
first foray into homebuilding. I'm sure he'll build it well...
Andrew Fairfax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:16 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/26/08
--> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
SNIP Time: 09:40:23 PM PST US
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: cockpit cooling
Boy am I P_SSed.
Vince, you drove right by my house and you didn't stop to say hello.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive SNIP
Yes, I know! I would have liked to have stopped at Bakersfield and
several other places but couldn't! Doh! We did stop for a burger at
the In-N-Out in Bakersfield. Yum. We need a few of those here!
Regrets,
Vince
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