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1. 06:33 AM - MT propeller Care Kit (Jim Stone)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Tom Gummo)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (nico css)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Smoky Ray)
5. 08:11 AM - Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... (Smoky Ray)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Jim Stone)
7. 08:46 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Fred Weaver)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Jim Stone)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Tom Gummo)
10. 05:36 PM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (Smoky Ray)
11. 05:48 PM - Re: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... (Richard Lundin)
12. 05:55 PM - Re: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... (Smoky Ray)
13. 09:37 PM - Re: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... (Im7shannon@aol.com)
14. 09:39 PM - Re: MT propeller Care Kit (lesdrag@aol.com)
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| Subject: | MT propeller Care Kit |
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone tried
this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
I haven't tried it.
MT four blade
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
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From: Jim Stone
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone tried
this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | MT propeller Care Kit |
I guess the devil's going to be in the details. What do they claim it will
do that's not already in the prop? Surely, if it deposits anything on the
surface, it will affect the aerodynamics and that cannot be good without
proper testing. If that which it might deposit is too thin to affect
aerodynamics, it might not be good for anything, other than a shine, either.
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I haven't tried it.
MT four blade
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone tried this
MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Gummy,
- How do you like the MT 4-blade?
Smokey
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I haven't tried it.
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MT four blade
-
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
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Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon
Rocket-II
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32
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Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care
Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my
prop, has anyone tried this MT care kit?- 90 bucks seems high for a few
ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| Subject: | Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... |
Extreme hangar rash has claimed my right elevator. Since mine is an early one,
all of the surfaces were .016 and I have decided to put a new tail on. Anybody
have a spare? :)
Rob Ray "Smokey"
HR2
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Well they say: "The new Mt-Propeller Car Kit X9 contains a propeller
surface cleaning agent and propeller surface sealing agent, based on
Nanotechnology in order to refine any propeller surface for rejecting
water and dirt, which considerably reduces the accumulation of ice,
snow, and bugs." Whew, that's one hell of a sentence. I wonder what
"refine means".
Jim Stone
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To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I guess the devil's going to be in the details. What do they claim it
will do that's not already in the prop? Surely, if it deposits anything
on the surface, it will affect the aerodynamics and that cannot be good
without proper testing. If that which it might deposit is too thin to
affect aerodynamics, it might not be good for anything, other than a
shine, either.
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I haven't tried it.
MT four blade
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone
tried this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Jimbo....... It's the "Sales Lingo" for saying.... Cleans, Polishes
and then Seals the surface of your prop blades. It can't do more than
that unless you remove the freakin' paint job.......
:)
Jim Stone wrote:
> Well they say: "The new Mt-Propeller Car Kit X9 contains a propeller
> surface cleaning agent and propeller surface sealing agent, based on
> Nanotechnology in order to refine any propeller surface for rejecting
> water and dirt, which considerably reduces the accumulation of ice,
> snow, and bugs." Whew, that's one hell of a sentence. I wonder what
> "refine means".
> Jim Stone
>
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> *To:* rocket-list@matronics.com <mailto:rocket-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2008 10:58 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
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> I guess the devil's going to be in the details. What do they claim
> it will do that's not already in the prop? Surely, if it deposits
> anything on the surface, it will affect the aerodynamics and that
> cannot be good without proper testing. If that which it might
> deposit is too thin to affect aerodynamics, it might not be good
> for anything, other than a shine, either.
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
>
> I haven't tried it.
>
> MT four blade
>
> So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
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> do not archive
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> *Subject:* Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
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> I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has
> anyone tried this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few
> ounces of sealer.
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
> Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Weav,
I'm thinking my new synthetic wax I used on the rest of the airplane
will work just fine.
Jim
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Jimbo....... It's the "Sales Lingo" for saying.... Cleans,
Polishes and then Seals the surface of your prop blades. It can't do
more than that unless you remove the freakin' paint job.......
:)
Jim Stone wrote:
Well they say: "The new Mt-Propeller Car Kit X9 contains a
propeller surface cleaning agent and propeller surface sealing agent,
based on Nanotechnology in order to refine any propeller surface for
rejecting water and dirt, which considerably reduces the accumulation of
ice, snow, and bugs." Whew, that's one hell of a sentence. I wonder
what "refine means".
Jim Stone
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From: nico css
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I guess the devil's going to be in the details. What do they claim
it will do that's not already in the prop? Surely, if it deposits
anything on the surface, it will affect the aerodynamics and that cannot
be good without proper testing. If that which it might deposit is too
thin to affect aerodynamics, it might not be good for anything, other
than a shine, either.
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To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I haven't tried it.
MT four blade
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone
tried this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Smokey,
It looks great. My rocket has a military type paint theme, with a
squadron patch on the tail, so the four blade gives it a WW-II type
look.
I had a prop "brain fart" so needed a new one, several months was the
reply but then Jim Ayers of MT props here in CA told me about a prop
John Harmon had for his HR-III (single seat racer) that he didn't like.
Anyway, I was able to get the prop at less than half price and was
flying again in weeks instead of months.
I have a very slow rocket anyway. With the two blade hartzell, at 10 to
11 thousand, full throttle would give me about 140 KIAS which trued to
about 180 KTAS.
Now, the I get 130-135 indicated and true at about 170 knots. So, I
lost about 10 knots at cruise.
Plus side, it is very smooth. Not turbine like but much smoother than
the hartzell. Climbs better, it already climbed great so who cares.
Down side, hot starts. Being mostly a jet guy, I don't claim to be a
piston expert. I was having problems with backfires during hot starts
(flooded method) and one of my friends told me he had a sure fire way to
do them. Shut down is normal with the throttle closed and then mixture
cut off. Instead of flooding during start, you just put the throttle
full open and leave the mixture closed. Hit the start button and a
couple of blades later it starts. Of course, now you have to move all
the levers at once. With the hartzell, there was some delay in the race
to full power so by the time I got the mixture increased and the
throttle reduced, the RPM would be up around 800-1000 easily controlled
with brakes (remember, I have already replaced one prop).
With the MT, all the weight is in the HUB - so RPM increases faster, so
the RPM is now 1200-1300 and the plane doesn't want to sit still. I
really like this starting method so I now add one step, I look to make
sure that nothing is in front of me and during start, and I just let the
plane roll forward a couple of feet while the lever exercise is taking
place. It sometimes helps to have the boost pump on to make sure once
you are putting new gas into the engine there is enough pressure to
clear any vapor lock present. If I don't catch it after the first
couple of seconds of running, then a normal prime and normal start seems
to work OK (as it appears to have cleared out the cyls).
So overall, I lost some top end speed, have to be careful during hot
starts but I was flying sooner verse later, got a $14,000 prop for 6500,
and it looks great.
During this time frame, I got to fly with a MT three blade prop and it
was very nice. No lost of speed but I couldn't get Jim to trade even up
for the four blade. My plane hasn't seen the MT two blade so I know
nothing about that one.
Also, I only fly off hard surfaces so no rock dings, etc.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
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From: Smoky Ray
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Gummy,
How do you like the MT 4-blade?
Smokey
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:31 PM
I haven't tried it.
MT four blade
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
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From: Jim Stone
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has
anyone tried this MT care kit? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of
sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: MT propeller Care Kit |
Awesome Gummi, it does look great! I hot start the exact technique you use,
my Rose Electronic ignition helps alot. I too have to hit the boost pump f
or vapor lock. I considered a prop change but $6000 buys alot of gas, and m
y "D" Hartzell 2 blade (Aztec) works fine.
- I have flown alongside my Viper buddy Slim who has a clean HR2 and a "J
Twist" Hartzell 2 blade, pretty much equal across the board. Above 10K he
does seem to do a little better at lower RPM. Not $6K better... :) From Boi
se back to FL @ 11,500 I saw 10.5 gph at 185 KTAS 55% power, 195-215 over t
he ground. That's less fuel over the distance than my 160HP RV4!
You gotta like it...
If you get back this way stop by, you're always welcome!
Smokey
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Smokey,
-
It looks great.- My rocket has a military type paint
theme, with a squadron patch on the tail, so the four blade gives it a WW-I
I
type look.
-
I had a prop "brain fart" so needed a new one, several
months was the reply but then Jim Ayers of MT props here in CA told me abou
t a
prop John Harmon had for his HR-III (single seat racer) that he didn't
like.
-
Anyway, I was able to get the prop at less than half price
and was flying again in weeks instead of months.
-
I have a very slow rocket anyway.- With the two blade
hartzell, at 10 to 11 thousand, full throttle would give me about 140 KIAS
which
trued to about 180 KTAS.-
Now, the I get 130-135 indicated and true at about 170
knots.- So, I lost about 10 knots at cruise.
-
Plus side, it is very smooth.- Not turbine like but
much smoother than the hartzell.- Climbs better, it already climbed great
so who cares.
-
Down side, hot starts.- Being mostly a jet guy, I
don't claim to be a piston expert.- I was having problems with backfires
during hot starts (flooded method) and one of my friends told me he had a s
ure
fire way to do them.- Shut down is normal with the throttle closed and th
en
mixture cut off.- Instead of flooding during start, you just put the
throttle full open and leave the mixture closed.- Hit the start button an
d
a couple of blades later it starts.- Of course, now you have to move all
the levers at once.- With the hartzell, there was some delay in the race
to
full power so by the time I got the mixture increased and the throttle redu
ced,
the RPM would be up around 800-1000 easily controlled with brakes (remember
, I
have already replaced one prop).
-
With the MT, all the weight is in the HUB - so RPM
increases faster, so the RPM is now 1200-1300 and the plane doesn't want to
sit
still.- I really like this starting method so I now add one step,-I
look to make sure that nothing is in front of me and during start, and I ju
st
let the plane roll forward a couple of feet while the lever exercise is tak
ing
place.- It sometimes helps to have the boost pump on to make sure once yo
u
are putting new gas into the engine there is enough pressure to clear any v
apor
lock present.- If I don't catch it after the first couple of seconds of
running, then a normal prime and normal start seems to work OK (as it appea
rs to
have cleared out the cyls).
-
So overall, I lost some top end speed, have to be careful
during hot starts but I was flying sooner verse later, got a $14,000 prop f
or
6500, and it looks great.
-
During this time frame, I got to fly with a MT three blade
prop and it was very nice.- No lost of speed but I couldn't get Jim to
trade even up for the four blade.-- My plane
hasn't seen the MT two blade so I know nothing about that one.
-
Also, I only fly off hard surfaces so no rock dings,
etc.-
-
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
-
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smoky
Ray
To: rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:07
AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller
Care Kit
Gummy,
- How do you like the MT
4-blade?
Smokey
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net>
wrote:
From:
Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:31 PM
I haven't tried it.
-
MT four blade
-
So far, 300 hours it has not been
needed.
-
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon
Rocket-II
-
do not archive
-
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
-----
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From:
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To:
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Sent:
Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject:
Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for
the my prop, has anyone tried this MT care kit?- 90 bucks see
ms
high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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If your interested in an RV 8 tail let me know.
Best regards,
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--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Smoky Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> From: Smoky Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com>
> Subject: Rocket-List: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator...
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:10 AM
> Extreme hangar rash has claimed my right elevator. Since
> mine is an early one, all of the surfaces were .016 and I
> have decided to put a new tail on. Anybody have a spare? :)
>
> Rob Ray "Smokey"
> HR2
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Thanks Rick. will do!
Smokey
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If your interested in an RV 8 tail let me know.
Best regards,
Rick Lundin
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> Subject: Rocket-List: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator...
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:10 AM
> Extreme hangar rash has claimed my right elevator. Since
> mine is an early one, all of the surfaces were .016 and I
> have decided to put a new tail on. Anybody have a spare? :)
>
> Rob Ray "Smokey"
> HR2
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In a message dated 9/8/2008 8:11:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
smokyray@rocketmail.com writes:Extreme hangar rash has claimed my right elevator.
Since
mine is an early one, all of the surfaces were .016 and I have decided to put
a
new tail on. Anybody have a spare? :)
Rob Ray "Smokey"
HR2
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Tom
You forgot to mention that your 4 blade propeller was designed for the HR3 with
a 380 hp engine.? :-)
Getting back on topic, I have a propeller care kit for my MT Propeller, but haven't
used it yet.
If someone has already?read the instructions, please give me a call.? :-)
Jim
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Awesome Gummi, it does look great! I hot start the exact technique you use, my
Rose Electronic ignition helps alot. I too have to hit the boost pump for vapor
lock. I considered a prop change but $6000 buys alot of gas, and my "D" Hartzell
2 blade (Aztec) works fine.
? I have flown alongside my Viper buddy Slim who has a clean HR2 and a "J Twist"
Hartzell 2 blade, pretty much equal across the board. Above 10K he does seem
to do a little better at lower RPM. Not $6K better... :) From Boise back to FL
@ 11,500 I saw 10.5 gph at 185 KTAS 55% power, 195-215 over the ground. That's
less fuel over the distance than my 160HP RV4!
You gotta like it...
If you get back this way stop by, you're always welcome!
Smokey
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Smokey,
?
It looks great.? My rocket has a military type paint theme, with a squadron patch
on the tail, so the four blade gives it a WW-II type look.
?
I had a prop "brain fart" so needed a new one, several months was the reply but
then Jim Ayers of MT props here in CA told me about a prop John Harmon had for
his HR-III (single seat racer) that he didn't like.
?
Anyway, I was able to get the prop at less than half price and was flying again
in weeks instead of months.
?
I have a very slow rocket anyway.? With the two blade hartzell, at 10 to 11 thousand,
full throttle would give me about 140 KIAS which trued to about 180 KTAS.?
Now, the I get 130-135 indicated and true at about 170 knots.? So, I lost about
10 knots at cruise.
?
Plus side, it is very smooth.? Not turbine like but much smoother than the hartzell.?
Climbs better, it already climbed great so who cares.
?
Down side, hot starts.? Being mostly a jet guy, I don't claim to be a piston expert.?
I was having problems with backfires during hot starts (flooded method)
and one of my friends told me he had a sure fire way to do them.? Shut down is
normal with the throttle closed and then mixture cut off.? Instead of flooding
during start, you just put the throttle full open and leave the mixture closed.?
Hit the start button and a couple of blades later it starts.? Of course,
now you have to move all the levers at once.? With the hartzell, there was some
delay in the race to full power so by the time I got the mixture increased
and the throttle reduced, the RPM would be up around 800-1000 easily controlled
with brakes (remember, I have already replaced one prop).
?
With the MT, all the weight is in the HUB - so RPM increases faster, so the RPM
is now 1200-1300 and the plane doesn't want to sit still.? I really like this
starting method so I now add one step,?I look to make sure that nothing is in
front of me and during start, and I just let the plane roll forward a couple
of feet while the lever exercise is taking place.? It sometimes helps to have
the boost pump on to make sure once you are putting new gas into the engine there
is enough pressure to clear any vapor lock present.? If I don't catch it after
the first couple of seconds of running, then a normal prime and normal start
seems to work OK (as it appears to have cleared out the cyls).
?
So overall, I lost some top end speed, have to be careful during hot starts but
I was flying sooner verse later, got a $14,000 prop for 6500, and it looks great.
?
During this time frame, I got to fly with a MT three blade prop and it was very
nice.? No lost of speed but I couldn't get Jim to trade even up for the four
blade.?? My plane hasn't seen the MT two blade so I know nothing about that one.
?
Also, I only fly off hard surfaces so no rock dings, etc.?
?
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
?
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
Gummy,
? How do you like the MT 4-blade?
Smokey
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I haven't tried it.
?
MT four blade
?
So far, 300 hours it has not been needed.
?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
?
do not archive
?
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Stone
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: MT propeller Care Kit
I'm considering buying the care kit for the my prop, has anyone tried this MT care
kit?? 90 bucks seems high for a few ounces of sealer.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator... |
Hey Smokey I have an RV8 tail on mine, pretty happy with it, have seen a few
for sale by guys who buy then give up. Probably a little heavier than a
stock -4 tail but more weight back there could be a good thing. My W&B is fine
solo and also have plenty of trim. I also have an F1 tail in my shop you can
have cheep but I think you would be happier with an -8 tail.
Kevin Shannon
Extreme hangar rash has claimed my right elevator. Since mine is an early
one, all of the surfaces were .016 and I have decided to put a new tail on. An
ybody have a spare? :)
Rob Ray "Smokey"
HR2
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Hi Smokey,
I used the pre-punched RV-7 elevators for the RV-8 HS on my HR2 and on the RV-6
HS on my RV-6A.
Should work on the RV-4, except you'll need the HS tips from the RV-8, also.
I've heard it adds 2 knots in comparision to the RV-4 elevator counterweighted
tips.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: Smoky Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator...
Thanks Rick. will do!
Smokey
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Richard Lundin <rlundin46@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator...
If your interested in an RV 8 tail let me know.
Best regards,
Rick Lundin
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> Subject: Rocket-List: Wanted: RV4/Rocket HS and elevator...
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday,
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