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1. 05:43 AM - Re: RE Rocket Insurance - 09/28/08 (Smoky Ray)
2. 08:59 AM - Re: RE Rocket "Accident" (Smith, Stuart)
3. 10:41 AM - Re: RE Rocket "Accident" (J. Mcculley)
4. 11:34 AM - Re: RE Rocket "Accident" (nico css)
5. 12:58 PM - Tailwheel bolt (John Bolding)
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| Subject: | Re: RE Rocket Insurance - 09/28/08 |
My Rocket is insured as an RV4 as the data plate reflects. When it comes to coverage,
shop around, try AIG. I use AUA, highly recommended.
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Rob Mokry <robmokry@covad.net> wrote:
From: Rob Mokry <robmokry@covad.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: RE Rocket Insurance - 09/28/08
<robmokry@covad.net>
"I don't know what accident has ruined the
Harmon Rocket reputation but I would sure like to know."
"My agent said all others declined due to the
existing unsettled claim."
Does anyone know the particulars? My insurance is coming due and would like
to know the talking points.
Thanks Rob
Time: 06:29:34 AM PST US
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance questions...........again
Brian,
That seems high, a work around might be to lower the insured amount if you
don't have avionics, engine and prop installed. With all or some of the
big
items safely stored elsewhere, you could now insure the hull for what you
have in it, or a bit more. I paid a lot less and was adament about coverage
for the one time trip to the airport.
I just renewed with London. My agent said all others declined due to the
existing unsettled claim. I paid 4k my first year, and now am paying 3400
the second year for 120k hull value. The price would go up to 4k if I use
140 as the hull value.
Good luck trying to find someone to insure you and with your final stages in
getting your Rocket finished. I don't know what accident has ruined the
Harmon Rocket reputation but I would sure like to know.
BTW, I am a retired Navy Fighter guy, a UPS 757/767 Captain, and have in the
neighborhood of 8000 hours total with 150 time in type, with no mishaps are
claims. If the insurance companies are declining coverage with my
experience, I have to assume it's the airplane that is high risk not the
pilot. My buddy has an RV-4 and he pays 1400 per year but it is only work
half of a Rocket.
I suspect we may be at the point where you can only buy liability for new
policies.
BTW,I have a great agent who worked hard for me, his name Mike Pratt at
502-905-8747 mpratt@jmpinsurance.com
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| Subject: | RE Rocket "Accident" |
Cal:
I am so sorry to hear of your misfortune. We try to do everything
right and sometimes bad things still happen. Good luck with your
repairs - Stu Smith, HRII at Compton Airport, near LAX.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CalBru@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
Guys,
I thought that I had ground looped my F1 out at Truckee on 9/10/08.
This will probably come up on NTSB eventually.
I thought this through in my mind quite a bit wondering what I had done
wrong. We were slow, the TW had come down, when the plane just started
going right, no matter how much L rudder I put in.
The L MLG bent back and in about 15*, the L wing tagged the runway, and
of course, upon leaving the pavement and decelerating into the dirt the
tail came up for a quick prop strike, then back down. No injuries.
As I drove a borrowed large truck and 30' trailer out there last Friday
(from Salt Lake), I thought about the damage and realized that the TW
has collapsed and twisted clockwise, where all of the momentum during
the accident was turning everything counterclockwise. I had noticed
that the TW had sheared the 2 AN3 bolts and rotated at the scene, but it
was later that it dawned on me that it must have collapsed prior to the
accident--in fact the TW failure caused the accident.
The single arm Janzi TW steering arm obviously rotated during the
failure from horizontal to vertical, thus placing pressure on the bottom
of the rudder and forcing it to the right, thus causing the
uncontrollable right turn! There is a hole punctured in the glass
rudder bottom, probably from my Left foot jamming on the L rudder so
hard.
I was upset that I had damaged the plane, but when I thought it was my
fault (even though I could not figure out why) I felt OK about the brain
damage and expense of the repair. Now, knowing that a few cents worth
of bolts failing caused the accident and aftermath, I'm kinda upset.
Bottom line, Check your bolts which go through the TW assembly into the
tail spring so you don't have a similar incident!!!
The F1 is back in the hangar now, and I'll slowly figure out how to get
it back in the air!
Cal Brubaker
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| Subject: | Re: RE Rocket "Accident" |
Cal,
Sorry to read about your incident!
The tailwheel assembly on my Wittman Tailwind spring-rod also sheared
the bolt and rotated 90 degrees,but fortunately, without other damage.
The fix that has worked perfectly throughout the subsequent 500 flight
hours was to drill and ream both the spring-rod and tailwheel unit for a
taper pin. Taper pins are hardened and with a nut and special washer
that allows subsequent minor tightening if the assembly develops any
loosening due to microscopic wear between the tapered hole and pin. This
prevents any rotational movement from developing over time. The hardened
taper pin also has a higher shear strength than an AN bolt.
Taper pins and matching taper reamers are available in many diameters to
fit a range of appropriate requirements.
Jim McCulley
=================================================================================
Smith, Stuart wrote:
> Cal:
>
> I am so sorry to hear of your misfortune. We try to do everything
> right and sometimes bad things still happen. Good luck with your
> repairs - Stu Smith, HRII at Compton Airport, near LAX.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
> *CalBru@aol.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2008 3:19 PM
> *To:* rocket-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
>
> Guys,
>
> I thought that I had ground looped my F1 out at Truckee on 9/10/08.
> This will probably come up on NTSB eventually.
>
> I thought this through in my mind quite a bit wondering what I had
> done wrong. We were slow, the TW had come down, when the plane just
> started going right, no matter how much L rudder I put in.
>
> The L MLG bent back and in about 15*, the L wing tagged the runway,
> and of course, upon leaving the pavement and decelerating into the
> dirt the tail came up for a quick prop strike, then back down. No
> injuries.
>
> As I drove a borrowed large truck and 30' trailer out there last
> Friday (from Salt Lake), I thought about the damage and realized
> that the TW has collapsed and twisted clockwise, where all of the
> momentum during the accident was turning everything
> counterclockwise. I had noticed that the TW had sheared the 2 AN3
> bolts and rotated at the scene, but it was later that it dawned on
> me that it must have collapsed prior to the accident--in fact the TW
> failure caused the accident.
>
> The single arm Janzi TW steering arm obviously rotated during the
> failure from horizontal to vertical, thus placing pressure on the
> bottom of the rudder and forcing it to the right, thus causing the
> uncontrollable right turn! There is a hole punctured in the glass
> rudder bottom, probably from my Left foot jamming on the L rudder so
> hard.
>
> I was upset that I had damaged the plane, but when I thought it was
> my fault (even though I could not figure out why) I felt OK about
> the brain damage and expense of the repair. Now, knowing that a few
> cents worth of bolts failing caused the accident and aftermath, I'm
> kinda upset.
>
> Bottom line, Check your bolts which go through the TW assembly into
> the tail spring so you don't have a similar incident!!!
>
> The F1 is back in the hangar now, and I'll slowly figure out how to
> get it back in the air!
>
> Cal Brubaker
====================================================================================
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| Subject: | RE Rocket "Accident" |
Ditto, Cal. So glad you are uninjured. Stay safe.
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Smith, Stuart
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
Cal:
I am so sorry to hear of your misfortune. We try to do everything right
and sometimes bad things still happen. Good luck with your repairs - Stu
Smith, HRII at Compton Airport, near LAX.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of CalBru@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
Guys,
I thought that I had ground looped my F1 out at Truckee on 9/10/08. This
will probably come up on NTSB eventually.
I thought this through in my mind quite a bit wondering what I had done
wrong. We were slow, the TW had come down, when the plane just started
going right, no matter how much L rudder I put in.
The L MLG bent back and in about 15*, the L wing tagged the runway, and of
course, upon leaving the pavement and decelerating into the dirt the tail
came up for a quick prop strike, then back down. No injuries.
As I drove a borrowed large truck and 30' trailer out there last Friday
(from Salt Lake), I thought about the damage and realized that the TW has
collapsed and twisted clockwise, where all of the momentum during the
accident was turning everything counterclockwise. I had noticed that the TW
had sheared the 2 AN3 bolts and rotated at the scene, but it was later that
it dawned on me that it must have collapsed prior to the accident--in fact
the TW failure caused the accident.
The single arm Janzi TW steering arm obviously rotated during the failure
from horizontal to vertical, thus placing pressure on the bottom of the
rudder and forcing it to the right, thus causing the uncontrollable right
turn! There is a hole punctured in the glass rudder bottom, probably from
my Left foot jamming on the L rudder so hard.
I was upset that I had damaged the plane, but when I thought it was my fault
(even though I could not figure out why) I felt OK about the brain damage
and expense of the repair. Now, knowing that a few cents worth of bolts
failing caused the accident and aftermath, I'm kinda upset.
Bottom line, Check your bolts which go through the TW assembly into the tail
spring so you don't have a similar incident!!!
The F1 is back in the hangar now, and I'll slowly figure out how to get it
back in the air!
Cal Brubaker
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My RV3 tailwheel spring got a taper pin instead of a bolt 'cause my Dad
"said so". Lasted almost 30 yrs and 2000 hrs so far. Hope it'll make it
another 30, hell , I hope I make it another 30. John
> Cal,
>
> Sorry to read about your incident!
>
> The tailwheel assembly on my Wittman Tailwind spring-rod also sheared the
> bolt and rotated 90 degrees,but fortunately, without other damage.
>
> The fix that has worked perfectly throughout the subsequent 500 flight
> hours was to drill and ream both the spring-rod and tailwheel unit for a
> taper pin. > Taper pins and matching taper reamers are available in many
> diameters to fit a range of appropriate requirements.
>
>
>
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