---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/13/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:30 AM - Re: Fuming Mad! (N395V) 2. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Fuming Mad! (johntmey@aol.com) 3. 05:54 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Speedy11@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:06 AM PST US Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Fuming Mad! From: "N395V" > So tell me what does this mean for us peons? > > It means elections have consequences. Someone running for office recently said America is the greatest nation on earth. Vote for me and I will give you change you can believe in. Well change you got. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247933#247933 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: Fuming Mad! From: johntmey@aol.com General Aviation is in real trouble. Issues are fuel, national insecurity, cost, public disinterest, public perception, population pressure, ?demographic change, politics,?etc. And there is no constitutional right to "bear transport" (...as in 'right to bear arms") I soloed in July 1961, age 16, and took this freedom (to fly) for granted during most of my productive life. Now, I'm too old to be an activist... Just watching "it" slip away. John Meyers HR II N5800 -----Original Message----- From: N395V Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:29 am Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Fuming Mad! > So tell me what does this mean for us peons? > > It means elections have consequences. Someone running for office recently said America is the greatest nation on earth. Vote for me and I will give you change you can believe in. Well change you got. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247933#247933 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:46 PM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Fuming Mad! Nico is RIGHT. We cannot stand for this. The question is - what to do? Stan Sutterfield Folks, I am fuming mad. The Long Beach action against private citizens is an atrocity. One can understand if there were concerns for suspicious or dangerous persons on that flight, but from all accounts this was a flight by all standards similar to an outing with the family in one's automobile in the countryside. Some brainless twit in Long Beach with a jackboot fetish decided to show his or her prowess that day and ordered a full-scale scare initiative. I was taught from childhood that you don't point a firearm at anybody unless you are prepared to use it. There is no justification for assuming otherwise with law enforcement. Shame on Kelly Ivahnenko for defending this outrageous behavior of the rogue priests of covert fascism. What would you have done, Kelly, if one of the drawn weapons discharged accidentally? Or, suppose one of the passengers lowered his hand to open the door or prevent from stumbling trying to get out of the plane under extreme duress and one of the officers perceived that as reaching for a weapon? I can already hear your sheepish and inadequate response by extrapolating it from your answer here. What a shameful thing to defend! Those who do not advocate for your dismissal and those at Long Beach, for incompetence, is just as guilty. Stressing that this experience is not what most pilots should expect when they are checked by the CBP is a shameful and ignorant statement, insulting everybody's intelligence including yours. Tell us, then, Kelly, what should pilots expect when they are checked by the CBP? What percentage could expect drawn weapons pointed at their parents or children that happen to be with them that day? And don't say that it will happen only when there is justified belief of a suspicious passenger or pilot involved because you already defended an action where such prior knowledge was not present; on the contrary, all indications were that there were no suspicious persons on board that flight. If your agency embarked on a course to totally destroy general aviation, you have certainly shown the methods by which you want to accomplish that goal. I would sue their friggin' pants off, Perry, not to inhibit legitimate pursuit of security but to eradicate this and exactly this kind of tyranny. 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