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Guys,
--After several requests for information, here is a link to a site sell
ing the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officer
s are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I t
ested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the
plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear
gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well
, very sharp.
Don't leave home without one...
FYI!http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
SmokeyHR2=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Emergency equipment in general |
Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, well, not
quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought you were saying,
forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT your way out!
My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, actually - we were
flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm something-or-other
with him "in case we had to force land in hostile territory". Hmmm. San Jose?
San Francisco? :)
For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of emergency
equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extinguisher, usually
a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum, and over the
years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen to me" to "if it
DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy breaker is an absolute
no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the canopy will probably
break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DON'T go over, but it's jammed
for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit silly being stuck inside. Again.
Having once been in that situation in an RV4 a long time ago, may I recommend
some sort of digging implement - if you're upside down in a field, there's
not necessarily room to get out without doing some digging. Or, as we had to,
wait around for the grownups, stuck inside upside down, wondering if the thing
will burn. Not nice.
In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good chance
of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a nice flat field
could tip you up if it's soft earth...
Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get all lectur-y
here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass Rocket, some
cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever actually required.
eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensive first aid kit
+ a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jacket (if ever over H2O!
disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic survival kit, and the use of
some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal...
...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/aerobatic
sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads GPS position
to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented survival pack,
liferaft, satphone, food & water...
Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying than *some*
of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment might seem a
little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still flying out of
good ole WVI, CA.
This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyone
Andrew
(HR2, NZ)
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray@rocketmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911
Guys,
After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selling the
Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued
in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I tested it recently
on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the
saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated
blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp.
Don't leave home without one...
FYI!
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
Smokey
HR2
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Whoops, item has been discontinued.
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Rob Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> After several requests for information, here is a link to a site
selling the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police
officers are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly
anything now. I tested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The
punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems
cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts
heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp.
>
> Don't leave home without one...
>
> FYI!
> http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
>
> Smokey
> HR2
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency equipment in general |
Andy, great post!
I have been wanting to improve my roll. bar, could you send me a pic of yours.
Thanks for the advice.
Jim Stone
HR 2
Louisville KY
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2010, at 4:11 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew@nzactive.com> wrote:
>
> Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, well,
not quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought you were
saying, forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT your way out!
My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, actually - we
were flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm something-or-other
with him "in case we had to force land in hostile territory". Hmmm. San Jose?
San Francisco? :)
>
> For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of emergency
equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extinguisher, usually
a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum, and over the
years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen to me" to "if
it DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy breaker is an absolute
no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the canopy will probably
break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DON'T go over, but it's
jammed for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit silly being stuck inside. Again.
Having once been in that situation in an RV4 a long time ago, may I recommend
some sort of digging implement - if you're upside down in a field, there's
not necessarily room to get out without doing some digging. Or, as we had to,
wait around for the grownups, stuck inside upside down, wondering if the thing
will burn. Not nice.
>
> In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good chance
of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a nice flat
field could tip you up if it's soft earth...
>
> Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get all
lectur-y here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass Rocket,
some cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever actually required.
eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensive first aid kit
+ a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jacket (if ever over
H2O! disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic survival kit, and the use
of some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal...
>
> ...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/aerobatic
sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads GPS position
to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented survival pack,
liferaft, satphone, food & water...
>
> Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying than
*some* of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment might seem
a little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still flying out
of good ole WVI, CA.
>
> This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyone
>
> Andrew
> (HR2, NZ)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray@rocketmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM
> To: Rocket List
> Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911
>
> Guys,
>
> After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selling the
Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued
in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I tested it recently
on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and
the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated
blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp.
>
> Don't leave home without one...
>
> FYI!
> http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
>
> Smokey
> HR2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Just checking ...
Gerry
N696WG
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Hi All I was looking at my HRII mount last night and was wondering about ge
ar legs. Can someone fill me in on the history of gear legs.-My gear sock
ets are 1.375ID- ive heard new ones are 1.5 ID ?-Are the 1.375 legs OK
to use? Can i still get them?-any info would help Thanks=0A-Dan Weseman
=0Adanweseman@yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A
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Rocketeers,
I'm going to shift gears... need fat tires and fat wings, STOL.
1) Rocket is FS on Barnstormers, search Harmon Rocket ($91.5k)
2) Rocket spares and surplus, make offer
a) Unadulterated composite cowling
b) Uninstalled engine mount (with 1.375 sockets)
c) Uninstalled firewall
d) Composite spinner and backplate
e) RV-4 horiz stab and vert fin, never installed, Elevators and rud
der were
scavenged
Items "a" thru "c" were from Vince Frazier, not installed by him nor by me
. I replaced item
"d" with polished metal Hartzell spinner. I built item "e" before switch
ing to RV-8 tail for my finished Rocket.
John Meyers N5800
360-477-1354
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency equipment in general |
Awesome Andy, you can never have too many goodies! Having flown a single se
at, single engine jet for many hours over bad-guy land, it's nice to know y
ou have options (and cool toys) if you end up on foot, or fin!---The
one thing you can't stress enough is good old H20, water. I carry fold up s
urvival water packs, sea dye, mirror, strobe, mini leather-man, compass, fi
re-starter and spot tracker in a small waterproof belt pack and stow it in
my center console. My back seat cushion has a cut-out underneath it for a s
tandard airline type life vest.---I too have retrieved several flippe
d-over RV's and all three couldn't dig out once the glass was broken. I tho
ught at the time a hydraulic roll bar you could "jack up" if needed would b
e cool, hmm.---This changed my forced landing choices (if given one)
to use county and access roads, large paved areas, lakes, pastures, fields
in that order. Like the Boy Scouts motto says, "Be Prepared" is good advice
.
Fair Dinkum eh?
Smokey
--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com> wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Emergency equipment in general
Andy, great post!
I have been wanting to improve my roll. bar, could you send me a pic of you
rs.
Thanks for the advice.
Jim Stone
HR 2
Louisville KY
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2010, at 4:11 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew@nzactive.com> wrote:
m>
>
> Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, w
ell, not quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought yo
u were saying, forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT yo
ur way out! My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, a
ctually - we were flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm
something-or-other with him "in case we had to force land in hostile terri
tory". Hmmm. San Jose?- San Francisco? :)
>
> For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of eme
rgency equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extingui
sher, usually a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum,
and over the years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen t
o me" to "if it DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy
breaker is an absolute no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the
canopy will probably break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DO
N'T go over, but it's jammed for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit sil
ly being stuck inside. Again. Having once been in that situation in an RV4
a long time ago, may I recommend some sort of digging implement - if you're
upside down in a field, there's not necessarily room to get out without do
ing some digging. Or, as we had to, wait around for the grownups, stuck ins
ide upside down, wondering if the thing will burn. Not nice.
>
> In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good c
hance of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a ni
ce flat field could tip you up if it's soft earth...
>
> Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get
all lectur-y here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass
Rocket, some cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever act
ually required. eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensiv
e first aid kit + a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jack
et (if ever over H2O! disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic surviv
al kit, and the use of some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal
...
>
> ...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/ae
robatic sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads
GPS position to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented
survival pack, liferaft, satphone, food & water...
>
> Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying
than *some* of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment migh
t seem a little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still
flying out of good ole WVI, CA.
>
> This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyon
e
>
> Andrew
> (HR2, NZ)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray@rocketmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM
> To: Rocket List
> Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911
>
> Guys,
>
>- After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selli
ng the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers
are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I te
sted it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the
plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear
gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well,
very sharp.
>
> Don't leave home without one...
>
> FYI!
> http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
>
> Smokey
> HR2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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OK, OK...:)
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Smith-Wesson-First--4301
Smokey
--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com> wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: SW 911
Whoops, item has been discontinued.
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Rob Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
--After several requests for information, here is a link to a site sell
ing the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officer
s are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I t
ested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the
plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear
gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well
, very sharp.
Don't leave home without
one...
FYI!http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php
SmokeyHR2
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