---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/08/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:32 AM - East Coast Rocket Flyin (robmokry@covad.net) 2. 11:56 AM - Re: Prop me Up! (Rob Ray) 3. 11:57 AM - Re: Prop me Up! (Rob Ray) 4. 04:44 PM - Re: East Coast Rocket Flyin (Daniel Weseman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:27 AM PST US From: robmokry@covad.net Subject: Rocket-List: East Coast Rocket Flyin Re Right Coast Fly In Fly out to ACK with me this weekend! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:37 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Thanks Jim! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Rob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 205 kts TAS at max map, 2300 r pm and 11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 g al reserve, no wind. I normally cruise at 9 or above with max map and 2200 r pm yielding 198-200 kts TAS. I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source o f accurate info. > Jim Stone > Louisville Ky > PS When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly-in? > > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like y ours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and mos t every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. > > Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forwar d to seeing it. > > Thanks again! > Smokey > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: > > From: Tom Gummo > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > To: rocket-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM > > Smokey, > > I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather an d live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I t hink I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heav y rain. > > I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartze ll two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 kno ts. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure lo oks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from Joh n when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) > > Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and i t very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to ge t him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. > > Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the H artzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 15 00 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). > I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clea r in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am sta rting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. > > So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. : -) > > GummiBear > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Ray > To: Rocket List > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM > Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Guys, > > I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how y ou MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? > Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. > > Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. > > Smokey > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatu re database 5256 (20100706) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.matronics.com/Naet="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics. com">http://forums.matronics.-> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:02 AM PST US From: Rob Ray Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! How about 1 Oct( my birthday:) Smokey Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: > Hi Guys Im still up for a fall east coast rocket flyin. I talked to my rv f reinds and they are up for one here at 7FL (haller airpark) i was wanting to get past Oshkosh then start making plans,any suggestions for a date etc wo uld be great. > > Dan Weseman > danweseman@yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com > www.fly5thbearing.com > > > From: Jim Stone > To: rocket-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 7:34:50 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Rob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 205 kts TAS at max map, 2300 r pm and 11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 g al reserve, no wind. I normally cruise at 9 or above with max map and 2200 r pm yielding 198-200 kts TAS. I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source o f accurate info. > Jim Stone > Louisville Ky > PS When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly-in? > > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like y ours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and mos t every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. > > Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forwar d to seeing it. > > Thanks again! > Smokey > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: > > From: Tom Gummo > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > To: rocket-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM > > Smokey, > > I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather an d live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I t hink I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heav y rain. > > I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartze ll two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 kno ts. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure lo oks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from Joh n when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) > > Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and i t very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to ge t him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. > > Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the H artzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 15 00 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). > I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clea r in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am sta rting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. > > So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. : -) > > GummiBear > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Ray > To: Rocket List > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM > Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Guys, > > I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how y ou MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? > Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. > > Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. > > Smokey > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatu re database 5256 (20100706) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:50 PM PST US From: Daniel Weseman Subject: Re: Rocket-List: East Coast Rocket Flyin what is ack?=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman@yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com =0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "robmokry@covad.net" =0ATo: rocket-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:26:59 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: East Coas =0A=0ARe Right Coast Fly In=0A=0AFly out to ACK with me this weekend!=0A=0A ===============0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rocket-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Rocket-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rocket-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rocket-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.