---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/16/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:37 AM - toe in / toe out (Frazier, Vincent A) 2. 08:40 AM - Re: toe-in/toe-out (Steve) 3. 07:28 PM - Re: toe-in/toe-out (Vern Little) 4. 08:35 PM - Re: toe-in/toe-out (Steve Irving) 5. 10:27 PM - Re: toe-in/toe-out (Vern Little) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:02 AM PST US From: "Frazier, Vincent A" Subject: Rocket-List: toe in / toe out SNIP I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. SNIP Be careful. I initially set the alignment w/ no weight on the tires on my Rocket and wore out a set of tires in <100 hours. (I've got F1 gear but the concept is the same). After wearing out the 1st set of tires, I went back and completely reset the alignments on the finished plane, loaded with fuel and pilot weight, and with the tail on the ground. I'd argue that the plane will spend very little time with the tail off the ground and you want the best alignment at slow, tail down speeds. http://www.vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more, mind-numbing details. To be clear here, I'm not saying John is wrong. No, not in the least. It's his baby. I'm saying that for me, the align then fly process proved unacceptable. For those who care and haven't quit reading yet, consider that the camber and toe on this type of gear varies considerably with tail up/tail down and with varying aircraft weights, and with braking action. Here's a test for those already flying, park your Rocket on a shiny smooth (painted is good) concrete hangar floor. If your tires squeak when you roll the plane forward, then your alignment is not optimal. The squeaking is caused by the toe. As you move the plane, the tires must compensate for the misaligned track... and they squeak. The good news is that these planes are pussycats even with dreadful alignment like I had. So, follow John's advice, but also consider what you are doing and why. YMMV Vince ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out From: Steve Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying atti tude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previou s post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the r ight. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airp lane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issu es. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded conditi on. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degr ees to the firewall. > Vern > > From: John Harmon > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM > To: rocket-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out > > Yep > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrot e: > >> And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. : -) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Harmon >> To: rocket-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out >> >> Set it at 0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" wro te: >> >>> What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for a n HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. 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John is the design authority, but I've read Vince's posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique. However, it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the HR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 recommendations. Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the feet! Vern From: Steve Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying attitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previous post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the right. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airplane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issues. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. 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I thought you had already drilled the feet and w ere doing a final alignment. The un-loaded condition is correct for the mou nting of the feet, that will get you close. Usually the gear will require a n adjustment once the plane is complete. That's where the greased plates co me in. That process will help you take final measurements and shim the axle s to achieve the zero toe in. Steve --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Vern Little wrote: From: Vern Little Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out =0A=0A =0AHmmm.  John is the design authority, but I've =0Aread Vince' s posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique.- =0AHowever , it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the =0AHR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 =0Arec ommendations.- Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the =0Afeet!=0A -=0AVern=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: Steve =0ASent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM=0ATo: rocke t-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out=0A =0AHey John,-=0AI thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying =0Aattitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded cond ition as in the =0Aprevious post.=0AI got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the =0Aright. 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Adjusting loaded toe-in comes later. Thanks guys! From: Steve Irving Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Vern, I guess I miss understood. I thought you had already drilled the feet and were doing a final alignment. The un-loaded condition is correct for the mounting of the feet, that will get you close. Usually the gear will require an adjustment once the plane is complete. That's where the greased plates come in. That process will help you take final measurements and shim the axles to achieve the zero toe in. Steve --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Vern Little wrote: From: Vern Little Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out To: rocket-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 6:33 PM Hmmm.  John is the design authority, but I've read Vince's posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique. However, it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the HR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 recommendations. Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the feet! Vern From: Steve Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM To: rocket-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying attitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previous post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the right. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airplane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issues. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degrees to the firewall. Vern From: John Harmon Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM To: rocket-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrote: And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harmon To: rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" wrote: What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. 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