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HI Eernest,
-
I'm in Tehachapi, California, and have an empennage, and a partially comple
te wing kit for an HRII.
-
Miles
--- On Fri, 10/19/12, Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com> wrote:
From: Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Hey Miles,
Thanks for responding, it actually is a HRII that I put the sliding canopy
on. -I think we have one spotted but will let you know if that doesn't wo
rk out. -Where are you located? -I am in Jacksonville, FL.
Ernest
From: Bowen Miles <cessna170bdriver@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Ernest,
-
If you had your canopy "back" instead of "over", I assume you've got an F-1
instead of an HRII. If so, I doubt you're interested, but-I have a 90% c
omplete (needs counterweights and fiberglass) set of elevators-for an HRI
I (0.016 skins).
-
Miles
--- On Thu, 10/18/12, Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com> wrote:
From: Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
t@matronics.com>
I had an unfortunate incident today where while I was running the engine
up on my Rocket with the canopy back the canopy took a departure from the
plane and hit my right elevator.- Does anyone have one that they would
like to sell?- Right elevator that is.
You can reach me here or at ernest@flmitigation.com.
Thanks,
Ernest Hale
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>- ---1. 05:28 AM - Engine failure- (Jim Stone)
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>Time: 05:28:09 AM PST US
>Subject: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>From: Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com>
>
>
>I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am
>looking for
>an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what caused
>the
>failure.- I have the entire engine disassembled and available for
>inspection in
>Louisville Kentucky.
>
>Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in engine
>failures.
>My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time rebuild.
>
>The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>climb and
>caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a
>connecting rod
>failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further incident.
>
>The engine seized just after touchdown.- The case, crank, cam, rods,
>pistons and
>cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>indicating something
>wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make 10.- I
>suspect
>the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden and fail.
>If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>call or
>email me.
>
>My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause of
>the failure.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Jim Stone
>502 235-3599
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>
>Sent from my iPad
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>Time: 09:17:35 AM PST US
>From: Rob Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>
>
>Jim,
> I will visit my Lycoming expert friend JR next week and share your
>experience.
>I will let you know what transpires.
>
>Smokey
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>On Jun 30, 2012, at 8:27, Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am
>>looking for
>an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what caused
>the
>failure.- I have the entire engine disassembled and available for
>inspection
>in Louisville Kentucky.
>>
>> Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in
>>engine failures.
>My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time rebuild.
>>
>> The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>>climb and
>caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a connecting
>rod failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further incident.
>>
>> The engine seized just after touchdown.- The case, crank, cam, rods,
>>pistons
>and cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>> Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>>indicating something
>wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make 10.- I
>suspect the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden
>and fail.
>> If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>>call
>or email me.
>>
>> My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause
>>of the
>failure.-
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Stone
>> 502 235-3599
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>Time: 06:05:39 PM PST US
>From: "cybersuperstore" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Engine failure
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>
>Glad you are OK, Jim.
>
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>[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:28 AM
>Subject: Rocket-List: Engine failure
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>
>I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am looking
>for an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what
>caused the failure.- I have the entire engine disassembled and available
>for
>inspection in Louisville Kentucky.
>
>Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in engine
>failures.- My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time
>rebuild.-
>
>The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>climb
>and caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a
>connecting rod failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further
>incident.
>
>The engine seized just after touchdown.- The case, crank, cam, rods,
>pistons
>and cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>indicating
>something wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make
>10.
>I suspect the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden
>and
>fail.
>If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>call
>or email me.
>
>My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause of
>the failure.-
>
>Thanks,
>Jim Stone
>502 235-3599
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a right elevator |
That was the weak link where it let go, just a piece of metal, not very
strong, screwed into the back of the plane. Needs to be much stronger.
E
From: Stuart Hutchison <stuart@stuarthutchison.com.au>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Thanks Earnest ... what type of mechanism did you have closing the canopy
track at the back?
Some builders use a cover with a tab screwed to the bulkhead. Docthrock
used a short piece of angle in the track.
Just wondering what let go?
Kind regards, Stu
F1 Rocket VH-FLY http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY
<http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY> www.teamrocketaircraft.com
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Hale
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Yes on all accounts. I had an oil leak, we thought we fixed it. I was
about to go on a trip that was over 1,000 miles and wanted to make sure the
leak was fixed so ran the engine up to about 2,000 rpm (over the usual 1500
for mags). The canopy was all the way back since I live in FL and it is hot
here. It obviously lifted out of the track at the back which is the weak
link. If I had locked it just behind the pilot seat like I do when it is
cold it would not have happened.
Bottom line with a sliding canopy, at least like mine, do not get the prop
over 1500 rpm or you may loose it.
Ernest
N540HB
From: Stuart Hutchison <stuart@stuarthutchison.com.au>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
G'day Earnest,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune ... I know how much work goes into that
slider and empennage. Was it because the retainers let go at the back of
the canopy track? Is there something we can all learn from this?
Kind regards, Stu
F1 Rocket VH-FLY http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY
<http://www.mykitlog.com/RockFLY> www.teamrocketaircraft.com
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Hale
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Hey Miles,
Thanks for responding, it actually is a HRII that I put the sliding canopy
on. I think we have one spotted but will let you know if that doesn't work
out. Where are you located? I am in Jacksonville, FL.
Ernest
From: Bowen Miles <cessna170bdriver@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
Ernest,
If you had your canopy "back" instead of "over", I assume you've got an
F-1 instead of an HRII. If so, I doubt you're interested, but I have a 90%
complete (needs counterweights and fiberglass) set of elevators for an HRII
(0.016 skins).
Miles
--- On Thu, 10/18/12, Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ernest Hale <ernest@flmitigation.com>
> Subject: Rocket-List: Need a right elevator
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com, "Rocket-List Digest List"
> <rocket-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:07 PM
>
> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ernest@flmitigation.com> >
>
> I had an unfortunate incident today where while I was running the engine
> up on my Rocket with the canopy back the canopy took a departure from the
> plane and hit my right elevator. Does anyone have one that they would
> like to sell? Right elevator that is.
>
> You can reach me here or at ernest@flmitigation.com
> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ernest@flmitigation.com> .
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ernest Hale
>
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>> > 1. 05:28 AM - Engine failure (Jim Stone)
>> > 2. 09:17 AM - Re: Engine failure (Rob Ray)
>> > 3. 06:05 PM - Re: Engine failure (cybersuperstore)
>> >
>> >
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>> >________________________________ Message 1
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>> >Time: 05:28:09 AM PST US
>> >Subject: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>> >From: Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jrstone@insightbb.com> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am
>> >looking for
>> >an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what caused
>> >the
>> >failure. I have the entire engine disassembled and available for
>> >inspection in
>> >Louisville Kentucky.
>> >
>> >Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in engine
>> >failures.
>> >My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time rebuild.
>> >
>> >The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>> >climb and
>> >caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a
>> >connecting rod
>> >failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further incident.
>> >
>> >The engine seized just after touchdown. The case, crank, cam, rods,
>> >pistons and
>> >cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>> >Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>> >indicating something
>> >wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make 10. I
>> >suspect
>> >the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden and fail.
>> >If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>> >call or
>> >email me.
>> >
>> >My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause of
>> >the failure.
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Jim Stone
>> >502 235-3599
>> >
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >
>> >________________________________ Message 2
>> >_____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> >Time: 09:17:35 AM PST US
>> >From: Rob Ray <smokyray@rocketmail.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smokyray@rocketmail.com> >
>> >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>> >
>> >
>> >Jim,
>> > I will visit my Lycoming expert friend JR next week and share your
>> >experience.
>> >I will let you know what transpires.
>> >
>> >Smokey
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >On Jun 30, 2012, at 8:27, Jim Stone <jrstone@insightbb.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jrstone@insightbb.com> >
>> wrote:
>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am
>>> >>looking for
>> >an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what caused
>> >the
>> >failure. I have the entire engine disassembled and available for
>> >inspection
>> >in Louisville Kentucky.
>>> >>
>>> >> Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in
>>> >>engine failures.
>> >My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time rebuild.
>>> >>
>>> >> The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>>> >>climb and
>> >caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a connecting
>> >rod failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further incident.
>>> >>
>>> >> The engine seized just after touchdown. The case, crank, cam, rods,
>>> >>pistons
>> >and cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>>> >> Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>>> >>indicating something
>> >wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make 10. I
>> >suspect the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden
>> >and fail.
>>> >> If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>>> >>call
>> >or email me.
>>> >>
>>> >> My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause
>>> >>of the
>> >failure.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Jim Stone
>>> >> 502 235-3599
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >________________________________ Message 3
>> >_____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> >Time: 06:05:39 PM PST US
>> >From: "cybersuperstore" <nico@cybersuperstore.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nico@cybersuperstore.com> >
>> >Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>> >
>> >
>> >Glad you are OK, Jim.
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rocket-list-server@matro
>> nics.com>
>> >[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
>> <http://us.mc1815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rocket-list-server@matro
>> nics.com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
>> >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:28 AM
>> >Subject: Rocket-List: Engine failure
>> >
>> >
>> >I had an engine failure in my Harmon Rocket (Lyc IO 540), and I am looking
>> >for an engine expert to have a look at all the pieces and tell me what
>> >caused the failure. I have the entire engine disassembled and available
>> >for
>> >inspection in Louisville Kentucky.
>> >
>> >Or, I would like any info on KS bearing failure and their roll in engine
>> >failures. My engine failed with less than 400 hours since 0 time
>> >rebuild.
>> >
>> >The engine started making a faint knocking noise followed by oil temp
>> >climb
>> >and caution, I headed back to my field and I was on base leg when a
>> >connecting rod failed and punched thru the case, I landed without further
>> >incident.
>> >
>> >The engine seized just after touchdown. The case, crank, cam, rods,
>> >pistons
>> >and cylinders were all damaged and unusable.
>> >Of note, my engine started making metal on the last oil analysis
>> >indicating
>> >something wearing, the company said to retest in 25 hours, I didn't make
>> >10.
>> >I suspect the KS rod bearing failed causing the rod bolts to work harden
>> >and
>> >fail.
>> >If you have any experience or knowledge you could pass on to me, please
>> >call
>> >or email me.
>> >
>> >My goal is to pursue KS bearing if they are determined to be the cause of
>> >the failure.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Jim Stone
>> >502 235-3599
>> >
>> >
>> >Sent from my iPad
>> >
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