---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/23/13: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/21/13 (Rob Ray) 2. 08:25 AM - Re: Plans? (John Harmon) 3. 07:56 PM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/22/13 (speedy11@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/21/13 From: Rob Ray Let me know how it goes Tim! Merry Christmas! Smokey Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:13, careytn@comcast.net wrote: > > Appreciate the spin words Smokey. > > Have been trying to spin 85TP for couple years now without luck -- very fo rward solo cg, won't do it dual first time -- haven't been able to get the e ntry started, though have hundreds of spins from USAF years. > > Will try again using your technique, see if I can get it to go. > > Cheers, > > Tim Carey > N85TP > KHEF > Manassas, VA > > From: "Rocket-List Digest Server" > To: "Rocket-List Digest List" > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:02:44 AM > Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/21/13 > > > ========================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ========================= > > Today's complete Rocket-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Rocket-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=ht ml&Chapter 13-12-21&Archive=Rocket > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=tx t&Chapter 13-12-21&Archive=Rocket > > > ====================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ====================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Rocket-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 12/21/13: 9 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:50 AM - Plans? (Dylan Caldwell) > 2. 06:36 AM - Re: Plans? (Oliver Coolidge) > 3. 07:21 AM - Re: Plans? (Rob Ray) > 4. 08:08 AM - Re: Plans? (Oliver Coolidge) > 5. 08:14 AM - Re: Plans? (Nancy and Randy) > 6. 09:33 AM - Re: Plans? (Rob Ray) > 7. 09:34 AM - Re: Plans? (Rob Ray) > 8. 01:22 PM - Re: Plans? (Oliver Coolidge) > 9. 04:09 PM - Re: Plans? (Rob Ray) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 04:50:12 AM PST US > From: Dylan Caldwell > Subject: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > > Hello, All, > Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would be w illing > to sell? > Thanks much, > Dylan > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 06:36:47 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > From: Oliver Coolidge > > > Where are you located? Have you asked John Harmon? > > Oliver > Typing with my thumbs > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, All, > > Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would be willing > to sell? > > Thanks much, > > Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 07:21:08 AM PST US > From: Rob Ray > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? Yea h! > > Merry Christmas Y"all! > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, All, > > Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would be willing > to sell? > > Thanks much, > > Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 08:08:38 AM PST US > From: Oliver Coolidge > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > Smokey, > Have you built one??? > > Oliver > Typing with my thumbs > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Rob Ray wrote: > > > > > Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? Y eah! > > > > Merry Christmas Y"all! > > Smokey > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, All, > >> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would b e willing > to sell? > >> Thanks much, > >> Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 08:14:26 AM PST US > From: "Nancy and Randy" > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > Smokey, Merry Christmas! Still getting my Rocket up to speed; plan to > actually fly it shortly after the new year. I have been meaning to ask yo u > about aerobatics in the Rocket---especially spins. Do you have any words t o > the wise? > > Thanks, > Tailwinds and blue skies, > Randy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Ray" > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > > > > Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? > > Yeah! > > > > Merry Christmas Y"all! > > Smokey > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, All, > >> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would b e > >> willing to sell? > >> Thanks much, > >> Dylan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 09:33:14 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > From: Rob Ray > > > Hi Randy! > > Yes sir, I've spun my HR2 many times. > > Depending on configuration and fuel load, most Harmon Rockets I have flown are > nose heavy, compared to a light nose RV4 or my RVX. Therefore spin entry a nd characteristics > are very straightforward. My normal entry consisted of a level > flight slow reduction in power while simultaneously increasing pitch back p ressure > where idle power was reached just above clean wing stall speed. (My Rocket > has a very heavy nose approaching stall requiring full aft stick with the s tock > RV4 Emp to maintain a level pitch.) Full stall is characterized by a light > tail /wing buffet and nose pitching down slightly. You can actually apply f ull > power at this point and hold full aft stick and it will buck and pitch but hold > altitude in the stall! The cylinders and oil temp will eventually heat up > but an amazing capability, very similar to the F16. > Spin entry requires idle power, full aft stick and full rudder deflection a t stall > which causes a fairly nose low entry followed by rotation, approx 1.5 turn s/sec. > Aileron into the direction of spin greatly increases the spin rotation > speed. Recovery is also very straightforward. Neutralize aft stick to slig htly > pitch down while simultaneously applying opposite rudder will stop rotati on > in approximate 1-2 turns. Other Rocket aerobatics are equally energetic an d straightforward. > > Fun! > > Email me offline anytime: > Smokyray@rocketmail.com > > Merry Christmas! > Smokey > > PS: If I still owned it I would have lightened the nose and airframe sign ificantly > with a Catto FP 3 blade, minimal avionics and accessories out front, light > sump, starter and accessory case alternator, like my RVX! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:14, "Nancy and Randy" wrot e: > > > > > > Smokey, Merry Christmas! Still getting my Rocket up to speed; plan to a ctually > fly it shortly after the new year. I have been meaning to ask you about a erobatics > in the Rocket---especially spins. Do you have any words to the wise? > > > > Thanks, > > Tailwinds and blue skies, > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ray" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > > > > > >> > >> Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? Y eah! > >> > >> Merry Christmas Y"all! > >> Smokey > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello, All, > >>> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would b e willing > to sell? > >>> Thanks much, > >>> Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 09:34:23 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > From: Rob Ray > > > No sir, I built an RV4 and my current RVX. > > I rebuilt my HR2 :) > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:08, Oliver Coolidge wr ote: > > > > > > Smokey, > > Have you built one??? > > > > Oliver > > Typing with my thumbs > > > >> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Rob Ray wrote: > >> > >> > >> Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? Y eah! > >> > >> Merry Christmas Y"all! > >> Smokey > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello, All, > >>> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would b e willing > to sell? > >>> Thanks much, > >>> Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 01:22:22 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > From: Oliver Coolidge > > > Is an RVX an RV-10? > I'm negotiating on a Harmon kit, haven't heard of an RVX. > > Oliver > Typing with my thumbs > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Rob Ray wrote: > > > > > Hi Randy! > > > > Yes sir, I've spun my HR2 many times. > > > > Depending on configuration and fuel load, most Harmon Rockets I have flo wn are > nose heavy, compared to a light nose RV4 or my RVX. Therefore spin entry a nd > characteristics are very straightforward. My normal entry consisted of a l evel > flight slow reduction in power while simultaneously increasing pitch back p ressure > where idle power was reached just above clean wing stall speed. (My Rocket > has a very heavy nose approaching stall requiring full aft stick with the > stock RV4 Emp to maintain a level pitch.) Full stall is characterized by a light > tail /wing buffet and nose pitching down slightly. You can actually apply f ull > power at this point and hold full aft stick and it will buck and pitch but > hold altitude in the stall! The cylinders and oil temp will eventually hea t up > but an amazing capability, very similar to the F16. > > Spin entry requires idle power, full aft stick and full rudder deflectio n at > stall which causes a fairly nose low entry followed by rotation, approx 1 .5 turns/sec. > Aileron into the direction of spin greatly increases the spin rotation > speed. Recovery is also very straightforward. Neutralize aft stick to slig htly > pitch down while simultaneously applying opposite rudder will stop rotati on > in approximate 1-2 turns. Other Rocket aerobatics are equally energetic an d > straightforward. > > > > Fun! > > > > Email me offline anytime: > > Smokyray@rocketmail.com > > > > Merry Christmas! > > Smokey > > > > PS: If I still owned it I would have lightened the nose and airframe si gnificantly > with a Catto FP 3 blade, minimal avionics and accessories out front, light > sump, starter and accessory case alternator, like my RVX! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:14, "Nancy and Randy" wro te: > >> > >> > >> Smokey, Merry Christmas! Still getting my Rocket up to speed; plan to a ctually > fly it shortly after the new year. I have been meaning to ask you about a erobatics > in the Rocket---especially spins. Do you have any words to the wise? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tailwinds and blue skies, > >> Randy > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ray" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one? Yeah! > >>> > >>> Merry Christmas Y"all! > >>> Smokey > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hello, All, > >>>> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would be willing > to sell? > >>>> Thanks much, > >>>> Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 04:09:03 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > From: Rob Ray > > > Hey Oliver, > I built a one of a kind airplane from 2 projects. RV4 wings/tail, Rv6 fuse lage. > Rocket plans used to mate wings. > > Flies great... > > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 21, 2013, at 16:21, Oliver Coolidge wr ote: > > > > > > Is an RVX an RV-10? > > I'm negotiating on a Harmon kit, haven't heard of an RVX. > > > > Oliver > > Typing with my thumbs > > > >> On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Rob Ray wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Randy! > >> > >> Yes sir, I've spun my HR2 many times. > >> > >> Depending on configuration and fuel load, most Harmon Rockets I have fl own are > nose heavy, compared to a light nose RV4 or my RVX. Therefore spin entry a nd > characteristics are very straightforward. My normal entry consisted of a l evel > flight slow reduction in power while simultaneously increasing pitch back p ressure > where idle power was reached just above clean wing stall speed. (My Rocket > has a very heavy nose approaching stall requiring full aft stick with the > stock RV4 Emp to maintain a level pitch.) Full stall is characterized by a light > tail /wing buffet and nose pitching down slightly. You can actually apply > full power at this point and hold full aft stick and it will buck and pitc h but > hold altitude in the stall! The cylinders and oil temp will eventually hea t > up but an amazing capability, very similar to the F16. > >> Spin entry requires idle power, full aft stick and full rudder deflecti on at > stall which causes a fairly nose low entry followed by rotation, approx 1 .5 > turns/sec. Aileron into the direction of spin greatly increases the spin r otation > speed. Recovery is also very straightforward. Neutralize aft stick to slig htly > pitch down while simultaneously applying opposite rudder will stop rotati on > in approximate 1-2 turns. Other Rocket aerobatics are equally energetic an d > straightforward. > >> > >> Fun! > >> > >> Email me offline anytime: > >> Smokyray@rocketmail.com > >> > >> Merry Christmas! > >> Smokey > >> > >> PS: If I still owned it I would have lightened the nose and airframe s ignificantly > with a Catto FP 3 blade, minimal avionics and accessories out front, light > sump, starter and accessory case alternator, like my RVX! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 11:14, "Nancy and Randy" wr ote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Smokey, Merry Christmas! Still getting my Rocket up to speed; plan to actually > fly it shortly after the new year. I have been meaning to ask you about > aerobatics in the Rocket---especially spins. Do you have any words to the wise? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Tailwinds and blue skies, > >>> Randy > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ray" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:20 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plans? > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Wow, a Rocket list message! Even better, someone wanting to build one ? Yeah! > >>>> > >>>> Merry Christmas Y"all! > >>>> Smokey > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 7:48, Dylan Caldwell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, All, > >>>>> Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they woul d be > willing to sell? > >>>>> Thanks much, > >>>>> Dylan > > > > > > bsp; -Matt Dralle, L============= ======= > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:54 AM PST US From: "John Harmon" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Plans? Dylan, I can sale you plans. They are $125.00 plus shipping per set. Would you like the Harmon Rocket II or the Harmon Rocket III. Please advise with shipping address. Thank you, Shelly Wood Harmon Rocket, LLC 2201 Coy Ave Bakerfield, CA 93307 661-396-3570 661-396-3574 Fax www.harmonrocket.com harmonrocket@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dylan Caldwell Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:49 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Plans? Hello, All, Does anyone have a set of plans for the Harmon Rocket that they would be willing to sell? Thanks much, Dylan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:02 PM PST US Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/22/13 From: speedy11@aol.com I knew a T-37 IP at Vance named Tim Carey. Could it be? Stan Sutterfield RV-8A, Reno Race 84 Daytona Beach Appreciate the spin words Smokey. Have been trying to spin 85TP for couple years now without luck -- very for ward solo cg, won't do it dual first time -- haven't been able to get the entry started, though have hundreds of spins from USAF years. Will try again using your technique, see if I can get it to go. 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