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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Burning oil (Thom Riddle)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Burning oil (Dave Austin)
3. 10:06 AM - Re: Burning oil (JetPilot)
4. 11:45 AM - Re: R-582 issues (Richard Rabbers)
5. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Burning oil (Jack Kuehn)
6. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Burning oil (Joe and Joan)
7. 03:12 PM - Sprag clutch circlip (gtblu)
8. 11:31 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
9. 11:44 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Jack,
How many hours on the engine? Are there any new noises in the engine?
Does power seem to be normal? Has the fuel burn rate changed since the
increased oil consumption began?
As Darryl said, check for oily exhaust output, plugs and do a
differential pressure check to isolate the source of the problem.
Sometimes rings turn in a cylinder and the gaps line up temporarily
which will allow oil to pass until they misalign again.
FYI - The intake valves on the 912 series do have valve stem seals but
the exhaust valves do not.
Thom in Buffalo
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@can.rogers.com>
Have you investigated the Rotax service tip re possible cracking of the
crankcase in three specific locations?
That would explain the sudden oil use.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I was wondering the same thing, why are you so sure it is being burned ? Chances
are just as good if not better that is it leaking the oil out somewhere.
Michael Bigelow
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> "It's not enough radiator in that configuration".?
Bob,
I have a 618 though have not yet flown it. I've wondered about the Rotax twin radiator
set up which I think may fit inside the cowl of my round cowl model 1
Kitfox. My issues will not be the same as your 'pusher' set up but I'm interested
in your Chrysler radiator - please relay the dimentions if it's not too much
trouble - Thanks!
Richard / Michigan
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Jack Kuehn <jkuehn@mountaintime.myrf.net>
Thank you for all your replies. I appreciate all the knowledge. I
finally was able to talk with the tech support at Lockwood, and this was
very helpful. They say that these 912's "never" burn oil. It is rare,
and even when compression is low on a run out engine, they still do not
burn oil. So this leaves a leak, or my own confusion over the ever
moving target of oil level! It comes as no surprise to me that a hot
engine will show a different oil level than a cold one, even using the
technique of pulling the prop through. This can be compounded by the
particular oil system installation. I have an oil thermostat installed
on top of the engine above the sump can. The cold engine did indicate a
higher oil level, so my estimate of the quantity of oil burned was too
high. I do not have a plugged blow tube, and I do collect this stuff in
a small container. It never has more than a small amount and is just
oily water. The engine runs completely normally. He asked me what my
static full power RPM is, and I said about 5000. I was told to flatten
out the prop until I get 5500, and that I am essentially lugging this
engine, which will cause some soot and perhaps some oil burn. In fact
my plugs have been a bit on the sooty side. He made the analogy of a
Volkswagon pulling a heavy trailer, lugging like crazy. So I have made
the adjustment, and run up the engine, and wow there is a big difference
in power. He said I will be amazed! I have not flown yet because the
weather is not cooperating here! But I think all is well. I am flying
a Sky Ranger, a tractor. It is a good little plane with great
performance with this engine. My fuel burn was closer to 3.2 gallons
per hour for the 13.5 hour trip, which will change now with the new prop
adjustment. I think it will go up, but so will my speed, perhaps. The
plane handles really very well and for a 610 LB plane it handles cross
wind landings admirably.
I will let you know what happens.
Jack
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>--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
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>I was wondering the same thing, why are you so sure it is being burned ? Chances
are just as good if not better that is it leaking the oil out somewhere.
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>Michael Bigelow
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Joe and Joan" <jnjkimbell@hotmail.com>
Jack, I just changed the pitch on my prop to increase the rpm to 5600 Static
rpm on my CH701. I will now take off in almost one half the length, but I
think you will find as I did that it will show a slower IAS. It like a boat
prop. Less pitch, more power less speed, More pitch less power, more speed
at same RPM
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> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Jack Kuehn
> <jkuehn@mountaintime.myrf.net>
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> Thank you for all your replies. I appreciate all the knowledge. I
> finally was able to talk with the tech support at Lockwood, and this was
> very helpful. They say that these 912's "never" burn oil. It is rare,
> and even when compression is low on a run out engine, they still do not
> burn oil. So this leaves a leak, or my own confusion over the ever moving
> target of oil level! It comes as no surprise to me that a hot engine will
> show a different oil level than a cold one, even using the technique of
> pulling the prop through. This can be compounded by the particular oil
> system installation. I have an oil thermostat installed on top of the
> engine above the sump can. The cold engine did indicate a higher oil
> level, so my estimate of the quantity of oil burned was too high. I do
> not have a plugged blow tube, and I do collect this stuff in a small
> container. It never has more than a small amount and is just oily water.
> The engine runs completely normally. He asked me what my static full
> power RPM is, and I said about 5000. I was told to flatten out the prop
> until I get 5500, and that I am essentially lugging this engine, which
> will cause some soot and perhaps some oil burn. In fact my plugs have
> been a bit on the sooty side. He made the analogy of a Volkswagon
> pulling a heavy trailer, lugging like crazy. So I have made the
> adjustment, and run up the engine, and wow there is a big difference in
> power. He said I will be amazed! I have not flown yet because the
> weather is not cooperating here! But I think all is well. I am flying a
> Sky Ranger, a tractor. It is a good little plane with great performance
> with this engine. My fuel burn was closer to 3.2 gallons per hour for the
> 13.5 hour trip, which will change now with the new prop adjustment. I
> think it will go up, but so will my speed, perhaps. The plane handles
> really very well and for a 610 LB plane it handles cross wind landings
> admirably.
> I will let you know what happens.
>
> Jack
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>>I was wondering the same thing, why are you so sure it is being burned ?
>>Chances are just as good if not better that is it leaking the oil out
>>somewhere.
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "gtblu" <gtbjbell@gmail.com>
Hi Listers
I have just had a 912 uls send a cprag clutch circlip through the engine.
Has anyone experienced this before/
Regards
Gtblu
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| Subject: | Official RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines |
--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RotaxEngines-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RotaxEngines-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RotaxEngines-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RotaxEngines-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RotaxEngines-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RotaxEngines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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