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1. 08:24 AM - Loctite 221 (John and Kim Lumkes)
2. 01:49 PM - Re: Loctite 221 (PWilson)
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4. 03:43 PM - Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 582 Cold Seizure (Martin Hone)
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "John and Kim Lumkes" <lumkes@msoe.edu>
Hello,
I am reinstalling the flywheel on my R912 and the instructions call for
using Loctite 221. I am having a problem locating this locally and few
places on the www carry it. Is there an approved substitute or "local"
store/chain that might carry it?
Thanks,
John
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
I would advise you to call the loctite tec support guy. The 221 is
not available in North America. but they have a close substitute. As
I recall I the local distributor had to make a special order to get
the correct product. The phone number is on any loctite container.
Regards, Paul
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>Hello,
>
>I am reinstalling the flywheel on my R912 and the instructions call for
>using Loctite 221. I am having a problem locating this locally and few
>places on the www carry it. Is there an approved substitute or "local"
>store/chain that might carry it?
>
>Thanks,
>John
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Loctite 221 is the same as Loctite 222 in the USA. We got ours from the
local Fastenal distributor. You can also get it from Lockwood Aviation for 1.99
for .02 oz, 19.17 for .34 oz, or 44.95 for 50 ml.
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Ray,
Is the engine nipping up at the end of the run, like when you start to pull
the throttle back ?
If so, then you should check the position of the needle clip. As you pull
the throttle, the fuel flow from the main jet gets restricted by the needle.
It was a common problem back when we raced 2-stroke bikes. Would be fine
when flat out, but roll off the throttle at the end of a long straight, and
it would seize. I would raise the needles up to make richer for the run-in
period. Cold seizure is what happens when you fail to warm the whole engine.
Sounds like it would be pretty warm after 59 mins.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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1. 03:28 AM - 582 cold seizure (Dave G.)
2. 04:04 AM - fuel return system rotax 912s (fxcon)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: fuel return system rotax 912s (MR PAUL MITCHELL)
4. 11:33 AM - Re: fuel return system rotax 912s (Thilo Kind)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 03:28:00 AM PST US
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 582 cold seizure
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <raybcorbett@yahoo.co.nz>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ultralight
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:18 AM
Subject: Rotax 582 cold seizure
> maybe someone can help me out with this one a friend of mine was going
> to a farm strip early ish one morning tempreture was cool about 8 deg
c
> he did a good warm up taxied out ,took of and promptly seized at the
> top of the climb out no big problem at a 1000 ft above the airfield
> ,anyway I stripped the top end of the motor and sure enough one
piston
> had seized giving the classic four corner marks of a cold seizure and
> we put it down to not warming up enough, the engine had done just over
> 200 hrs and was well maintained and the other piston was not marked
at
> all
> So the motor was rebuilt with new parts I ground run it for approx 20
> mins at vairying loads but not full power and handed it over to my
> friend who started the rotax run in procedure with the trike tied to
> the hanger at 59 mins at the full power run it seized again, on
> stripping it was exactly the same as before with the four corner marks
> of a cold seizure ,he assures me he had the right fuel mix 50 to one
> the jetting is correct piston bore clearances are correct and again
the
> other piston looks perfect
> the engine is in an Airborne outback trike it is a blue head motor
and
> it has a new thermostat
> he tells me all temps were correct
> I know the rotax run in may be a bit aggressive maybe he should have
> gone a little easyer
> any help would be most appriciated
> thanks
> Ray
>
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 04:04:45 AM PST US
From: "fxcon" <fconnell@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: fuel return system rotax 912s
Some advice please re rotax fuel return system.
Is this always necessary?
Do some installations run succesfully without it,say, with adequate fuel
line insulation & perhaps with dedicated air vent.to the fuel system
What is its main purpose-to cool the fuel by recirculating warm fuel
back into the tank,or perhaps to allow any fuel vapour to be purged from
the system?
All advice welcome.
Frank Connell Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:27 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 582 cold seizure
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <raybcorbett@yahoo.co.nz>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ultralight
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:18 AM
Subject: Rotax 582 cold seizure
> maybe someone can help me out with this one a friend of mine was
going
> to a farm strip early ish one morning tempreture was cool about 8
deg c
> he did a good warm up taxied out ,took of and promptly seized at the
> top of the climb out no big problem at a 1000 ft above the airfield
> ,anyway I stripped the top end of the motor and sure enough one
piston
> had seized giving the classic four corner marks of a cold seizure
and
> we put it down to not warming up enough, the engine had done just
over
> 200 hrs and was well maintained and the other piston was not marked
at
> all
> So the motor was rebuilt with new parts I ground run it for approx
20
> mins at vairying loads but not full power and handed it over to my
> friend who started the rotax run in procedure with the trike tied to
> the hanger at 59 mins at the full power run it seized again, on
> stripping it was exactly the same as before with the four corner
marks
> of a cold seizure ,he assures me he had the right fuel mix 50 to one
> the jetting is correct piston bore clearances are correct and again
the
> other piston looks perfect
> the engine is in an Airborne outback trike it is a blue head motor
and
> it has a new thermostat
> he tells me all temps were correct
> I know the rotax run in may be a bit aggressive maybe he should have
> gone a little easyer
> any help would be most appriciated
> thanks
> Ray
>
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 04:43:09 AM PST US
From: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: fuel return system rotax 912s
Frank,
I live in the Uk and we do have some warm days. I would say the return
line is a must. It's purpose is to return any vapour lock or air bubbles
back to the tank. I can see mine while I am flying and there are bubbles
going back to the tank in a steady stream. Not a lot but they are there.
Paul Mitchell
----- Original Message -----
From: fxcon
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: fuel return system rotax 912s
Some advice please re rotax fuel return system.
Is this always necessary?
Do some installations run succesfully without it,say, with adequate
fuel line insulation & perhaps with dedicated air vent.to the fuel
system
What is its main purpose-to cool the fuel by recirculating warm fuel
back into the tank,or perhaps to allow any fuel vapour to be purged from
the system?
All advice welcome.
Frank Connell Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:27 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 582 cold seizure
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <raybcorbett@yahoo.co.nz>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ultralight
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:18 AM
Subject: Rotax 582 cold seizure
> maybe someone can help me out with this one a friend of mine was
going
> to a farm strip early ish one morning tempreture was cool about 8
deg c
> he did a good warm up taxied out ,took of and promptly seized at
the
> top of the climb out no big problem at a 1000 ft above the
airfield
> ,anyway I stripped the top end of the motor and sure enough one
piston
> had seized giving the classic four corner marks of a cold seizure
and
> we put it down to not warming up enough, the engine had done just
over
> 200 hrs and was well maintained and the other piston was not
marked at
> all
> So the motor was rebuilt with new parts I ground run it for approx
20
> mins at vairying loads but not full power and handed it over to my
> friend who started the rotax run in procedure with the trike tied
to
> the hanger at 59 mins at the full power run it seized again, on
> stripping it was exactly the same as before with the four corner
marks
> of a cold seizure ,he assures me he had the right fuel mix 50 to
one
> the jetting is correct piston bore clearances are correct and
again the
> other piston looks perfect
> the engine is in an Airborne outback trike it is a blue head
motor and
> it has a new thermostat
> he tells me all temps were correct
> I know the rotax run in may be a bit aggressive maybe he should
have
> gone a little easyer
> any help would be most appriciated
> thanks
> Ray
>
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________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 11:33:16 AM PST US
From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: fuel return system rotax 912s
Hi Frank,
most Rotax 912, that I know of, don't have the fuel return (including
mine, a Zodiac CH 601 HDS). No problems with that set-up, except during
re-starts on hot days. In such cases, the hot engine and the lack of air
going through the cowling will create vapor lock, which will make it
difficult to re-start. One way is to take the cowling off, so that the
hot air can get out. Another way, we just learned from a Rotx shop is to
switch on the electrical fuel pump, keep it running for 3 minutes,
switch it off, push a throttle ever so slightly forward and start
(without choke). Works well on the D40 in our flying club here. I
haven't tried that yet on my Zodiac.
Best regards
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: fxcon
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: fuel return system rotax 912s
Some advice please re rotax fuel return system.
Is this always necessary?
Do some installations run succesfully without it,say, with adequate
fuel line insulation & perhaps with dedicated air vent.to the fuel
system
What is its main purpose-to cool the fuel by recirculating warm fuel
back into the tank,or perhaps to allow any fuel vapour to be purged from
the system?
All advice welcome.
Frank Connell Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:27 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 582 cold seizure
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <raybcorbett@yahoo.co.nz>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ultralight
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:18 AM
Subject: Rotax 582 cold seizure
> maybe someone can help me out with this one a friend of mine was
going
> to a farm strip early ish one morning tempreture was cool about 8
deg c
> he did a good warm up taxied out ,took of and promptly seized at
the
> top of the climb out no big problem at a 1000 ft above the
airfield
> ,anyway I stripped the top end of the motor and sure enough one
piston
> had seized giving the classic four corner marks of a cold seizure
and
> we put it down to not warming up enough, the engine had done just
over
> 200 hrs and was well maintained and the other piston was not
marked at
> all
> So the motor was rebuilt with new parts I ground run it for approx
20
> mins at vairying loads but not full power and handed it over to my
> friend who started the rotax run in procedure with the trike tied
to
> the hanger at 59 mins at the full power run it seized again, on
> stripping it was exactly the same as before with the four corner
marks
> of a cold seizure ,he assures me he had the right fuel mix 50 to
one
> the jetting is correct piston bore clearances are correct and
again the
> other piston looks perfect
> the engine is in an Airborne outback trike it is a blue head
motor and
> it has a new thermostat
> he tells me all temps were correct
> I know the rotax run in may be a bit aggressive maybe he should
have
> gone a little easyer
> any help would be most appriciated
> thanks
> Ray
>
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