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1. 04:56 PM - FW: 912 Carbs (Todd Leiss)
2. 07:08 PM - Re: 912 Carbs (Roger Lee)
3. 07:21 PM - Re: FW: 912 Carbs (Dave Austin)
4. 09:30 PM - Re: 912 Carbs (Todd Leiss)
5. 10:00 PM - Re: Re: 912 Carbs (Gary)
6. 11:31 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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Looking for some help.
My Rotax 912UL is running very rough at Idle. Also have fuel running out the vent
tubes unless idle is above 2400rpm. I have rebuilt both carbs (Bing 64)
with kits from Bing. Initial set-up as described in the Bing instructions.
I have synchronize the carbs with duel vacuum gauges. However, adjusting the
mixture screws has virtually no effect in RPM or the vacuum gauge readings.
Ignition is working fine, all new plugs. All new connectors and good drop-offs
when switching A or B (Mag Check).
I have compared my engines performance with two other 912 equipped planes on the
field. Mine is much rougher at low and medium speeds.
One question is if the Carb piston vents go towards the intake manifold (as I have
them) or the intake.
Engine has 200 hours (192 by previous owner), 1 hour flight time since I've owned
it and the rest are ground runs trying to get it running right.
Thanks,
Todd Leiss
Kitfox IV Speedster
N926JB
Merritt Island Florida
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Hi Todd,
Question: Are both carbs actting up in the same way?
Those vents you describe on the carb throat edges are actually inlets. They must
face out towards the air cleaner side or you will have the problems as you describe.
These intakes help work the diaphram in the top of your carb for pressure
changes.
If this was the problem your home free, if not:
One of the things you need to check is your fuel pump pressure. There is a new
service bulletin out on certain serial numbered engines that they want these pumps
replaced. The symptoms are as you describe. The max pressure (without the
manual in front of me) is 5.6 psi and some of these pumps are putting out in
the 9psi range.
This type of pressure will cause what you have described. There is a replacement
program as I understand it.
Your mixture screw should be set at 1.5 turns and left alone. Then you should set
the carb's idel screw with the engine off and then while it is running.
My bet is that your carbs are facing the wrong way.
Good luck!
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98230#98230
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| Subject: | Re: FW: 912 Carbs |
Certainly sounds as if you have a flooding condition. What fuel
pressure do you have to the carbs? anything beyond 4 lbs will overcome
the needle valves. Vent tubes should be in a place which will sense
normal air pressure, not near carb intake.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Leiss
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: FW: 912 Carbs
Looking for some help.
My Rotax 912UL is running very rough at Idle. Also have fuel
running out the vent tubes unless idle is above 2400rpm. I have
rebuilt both carbs (Bing 64) with kits from Bing. Initial set-up as
described in the Bing instructions. I have synchronize the carbs with
duel vacuum gauges. However, adjusting the mixture screws has virtually
no effect in RPM or the vacuum gauge readings. Ignition is working
fine, all new plugs. All new connectors and good drop-offs when
switching A or B (Mag Check).
I have compared my engines performance with two other 912 equipped
planes on the field. Mine is much rougher at low and medium speeds.
One question is if the Carb piston vents go towards the intake
manifold (as I have them) or the intake.
Engine has 200 hours (192 by previous owner), 1 hour flight time
since I've owned it and the rest are ground runs trying to get it
running right.
Thanks,
Todd Leiss
Kitfox IV Speedster
N926JB
Merritt Island Florida
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Some more info on my carb problem:
My vent tubes are the proscribed length (about 4 inches), and tucked under
the float bowl spring clip.
I have new Boots or Flanges.
Vents under Carb inlets are free. Carbs are facing the correct way.
Synchronized by the Lockwood method (two Vacuum gauges) adjusting the
throttle cables as described in a "power-up" article.
On the bottom of the Carb slide (with long needle valve set at proscribed
clip position) there are two vent holes. Do these face the air filter or
Intake manifold (as I have them)?
I have a new (Jan 07) Fuel pump from Lockwood. I had ignition issues,
which I solved, but around the same time my old fuel pump started to leak.
The carbs didn't have the fuel running out the vents before the new pump,
but it never occurred to me that the pump could be the problem. This may
very well be the issue. I will definitely check with Lockwood tomorrow
concerning the fuel pressure.
Keep the wonderfully helpful cards and letters coming.
All the Best,
Todd
> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/1/2007 10:15:21 PM
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 912 Carbs
>
>
> Hi Todd,
>
>
> Question: Are both carbs actting up in the same way?
>
> Those vents you describe on the carb throat edges are actually inlets.
They must face out towards the air cleaner side or you will have the
problems as you describe. These intakes help work the diaphram in the top
of your carb for pressure changes.
>
> If this was the problem your home free, if not:
> One of the things you need to check is your fuel pump pressure. There is
a new service bulletin out on certain serial numbered engines that they
want these pumps replaced. The symptoms are as you describe. The max
pressure (without the manual in front of me) is 5.6 psi and some of these
pumps are putting out in the 9psi range.
> This type of pressure will cause what you have described. There is a
replacement program as I understand it.
> Your mixture screw should be set at 1.5 turns and left alone. Then you
should set the carb's idel screw with the engine off and then while it is
running.
>
>
> My bet is that your carbs are facing the wrong way.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98230#98230
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 912 Carbs |
Check with Lockwood, but I bet the new pump has caused the problem. The
Jabiru engines commonly have this problem, because their fuel pump is
not consistent in output pressure.
I have no personal experience with this, but what I have read
(especially on the Jabiru forum) is that the Bing needs a relatively
low fuel pressure, something like 5 or 6 psi max. If it is too high,
the fuel will force past the needle valve and raise the float level too
high. It will run very rich, and leak fuel out the vents as you
describe. There apparently are different needle valves available, and
using the wrong one can cause the same problem even with fuel pressure
within limits.
This will be an easy problem to fix, by making sure you have the proper
fuel pressure, and the proper needle and seat in the carbs.
Again, I am sure Lockwood can provide the specific help you need.
Gary
Todd Leiss wrote:
>
> Some more info on my carb problem:
>
> My vent tubes are the proscribed length (about 4 inches), and tucked under
> the float bowl spring clip.
> I have new Boots or Flanges.
> Vents under Carb inlets are free. Carbs are facing the correct way.
> Synchronized by the Lockwood method (two Vacuum gauges) adjusting the
> throttle cables as described in a "power-up" article.
>
> On the bottom of the Carb slide (with long needle valve set at proscribed
> clip position) there are two vent holes. Do these face the air filter or
> Intake manifold (as I have them)?
>
> I have a new (Jan 07) Fuel pump from Lockwood. I had ignition issues,
> which I solved, but around the same time my old fuel pump started to leak.
> The carbs didn't have the fuel running out the vents before the new pump,
> but it never occurred to me that the pump could be the problem. This may
> very well be the issue. I will definitely check with Lockwood tomorrow
> concerning the fuel pressure.
>
> Keep the wonderfully helpful cards and letters coming.
>
> All the Best,
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 3/1/2007 10:15:21 PM
>> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 912 Carbs
>>
>>
>> Hi Todd,
>>
>>
>> Question: Are both carbs actting up in the same way?
>>
>> Those vents you describe on the carb throat edges are actually inlets.
>>
> They must face out towards the air cleaner side or you will have the
> problems as you describe. These intakes help work the diaphram in the top
> of your carb for pressure changes.
>
>> If this was the problem your home free, if not:
>> One of the things you need to check is your fuel pump pressure. There is
>>
> a new service bulletin out on certain serial numbered engines that they
> want these pumps replaced. The symptoms are as you describe. The max
> pressure (without the manual in front of me) is 5.6 psi and some of these
> pumps are putting out in the 9psi range.
>
>> This type of pressure will cause what you have described. There is a
>>
> replacement program as I understand it.
>
>> Your mixture screw should be set at 1.5 turns and left alone. Then you
>>
> should set the carb's idel screw with the engine off and then while it is
> running.
>
>> My bet is that your carbs are facing the wrong way.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> --------
>> Roger Lee
>> Tucson, Az.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98230#98230
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RotaxEngines-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RotaxEngines-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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RotaxEngines-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RotaxEngines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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