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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Hello out There? (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:44 AM - Installing a 912 (Noel Loveys)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: Electrical system 912S (Hugh McKay III)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Installing a 912 (Hugh McKay III)
5. 11:36 AM - Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil over ! (R.C.Harrison)
6. 11:40 AM - FW: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil over ! (R.C.Harrison)
7. 12:54 PM - Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil ove (Roger Lee)
8. 01:01 PM - Oil Pressure (Roger Lee)
9. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil ove (R.C.Harrison)
10. 02:01 PM - Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil over ! (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
11. 02:16 PM - Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil over ! (Guy Buchanan)
12. 04:58 PM - Re: Electrical system 912S (Roger Roy)
13. 04:59 PM - Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't boil ove (Roger Lee)
14. 05:32 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Roger Roy)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Hello out There? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
16. 06:45 PM - Re: Oil Pressure (Roger Lee)
17. 10:45 PM - Re: Re: Oil Pressure (R.C.Harrison)
18. 11:01 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:13 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Hello out There? |
Roger,
I don't argue with the need to find the cause of the problem and fix it, but don't
want anyone laboring under the misconception that the Rotax CDI ignition systems
requires outside electrical power to keep the engine running. Though there
are differences among the Rotax CDI ignition systems, from what I've seen
in the Rotax installation manuals, they all work on the same principle, which
means the 582 will continue to run without any external electrical supply, as
do the 912 series.
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Thom in Buffalo
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Installing a 912 |
Thanks Guys:
I have had several replies about pictures. I am getting the digest
version
of this list and all the pictures are stripped off. I have tried to
find
the whole posts on Matronics and haven't been able to find them.
I guess the best thing is just to send them direct to
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
BTW Hugh I may have accidently deleted an incoming E-Mail from you.
Noel
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| Subject: | Electrical system 912S |
Roger:
I know you have a 912S and not a 912 UL, but just a few other points
concerning the electrical wiring for the 912 UL. If you wire the engine as
shown in the Rotax 912 UL Installation manual, page 46 of 66, under
Section17 Electrical System (I am assuming 912S electrical system is the
same as the 912 UL, if not, forget what I am about to tell you) you will
drain the battery down while your plane is in the hanger even though you
have turned the ignition switch off. I had this problem for some time and
could not understand why until an electrical technician from Sanford, NC
told me what to do. I am not an electrical engineer or an electrical tech.,
but it solved my problem.
Yes, the capacitor (+) goes to the +B connection on the regulator, but it is
also connected to the R, L, and C terminals (see the Rotax engine wiring
diagram). What the diagram does not show is that you must have a disconnect
(breaker or switch) between the Capacitor (+) and the C terminal on the
regulator to break this circuit leg when the engine is not running. Because
I had already finished my panel and the wiring was finished, the quickest
way to fix the problem for me was to add another breaker/ switch (I use
Potter-Brumfield Series W23 breakers through out my panel which serve the
dual function of breaker protection and as a switch) in the panel to
physically break this circuit when the engine is off. I simply have this
procedure to close or open the circuit on my checklist for start-up and
shutdown. If you catch this early enough you may be able to take care of the
problem by correctly wiring it through the ignition switch such that the
Capacitor (+) and C terminal is broken when you turn your switch to OFF.
However you do it, this circuit must be open when the engine is OFF.
Hugh McKay
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Roy
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:11 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Electrical system 912S
Thanks to Thilo, Hugh and Roger for their advise on the installation of a
capacitor. Do you think the (+) lead of the capacitor be installed directly
into the B+ connection of the regulator or would it be better at another
location. I am planning on a firewall install with an Adell clamp (cushion
clamp) any inputs on that?
RJ
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| Subject: | Installing a 912 |
Noel:
I had the feeling that the photos I sent would be stripped. I will send my
photos directly to you in three batches of 5, 5, and 7. I will also send the
deleted email directly to you.
Hugh
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel
Loveys
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Installing a 912
Thanks Guys:
I have had several replies about pictures. I am getting the digest version
of this list and all the pictures are stripped off. I have tried to find
the whole posts on Matronics and haven't been able to find them.
I guess the best thing is just to send them direct to noelloveys@yahoo.ca
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
BTW Hugh I may have accidently deleted an incoming E-Mail from you.
Noel
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| Subject: | Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't |
boil over !
Something fresh for you to "hew over ?"
Hi! All.
Rotax advice please....
What's best on a delayed departure to beat overheating assuming parked
into wind?
a) minimum idle with a course prop. setting
or
b) minimum idle with a fine prop. setting?
Or
c) medium RPM with a course prop setting?
Or
d) medium RPM with a fine prop. setting ?
I managed a boil up today pleased I didn't "go for it" because it
happens in a flash.
Bob H
G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | FW: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru |
can't boil over !
Something fresh for you to "chew over"?
Hi! All.
Rotax advice please....
What's best on a delayed departure to beat overheating assuming parked
into wind?
a) minimum idle with a course prop. setting
or
b) minimum idle with a fine prop. setting?
Or
c) medium RPM with a course prop setting?
Or
d) medium RPM with a fine prop. setting ?
I managed a boil up today pleased I didn't "go for it" because it
happens in a flash.
Bob H
G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't |
boil ove
Hi Bob,
But Jabirus do over heat.
The answer I would pick form your mutiple choice is "D".
Medium rpm with a finer pitch. To course a pitch makes the engine work harder at
low rpm which will builds heat faster. You want a finer pitch while at idle
to let the engine work easier and with the medium rpm you may get a little more
air flow.
Do you have a newer Roatx engine? If not you may want to check and see if you have
the newer higher pressure radiator cap from a SB. If boiling over becomes
an ongoing problem you may want to consider Evans NPG+ because its boiling point
is about 100F higher than 50/50.
That said 50/50 will run about 40 F cooler after you are in the air with some better
airflow.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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Hi Guys,
Adjusted my oil pressure today from 46psi to 66psi. It only takes a shim and a
few minutes to adjust if anyone wants to make an adjustment. There is a 17mm nut
just under the oil filter and slightly to the left. This nut holds a spring
and ball bearing up inside. This helps control your oil pressure. Mine had dropped
over time from 55 to 46psi, not from an engine problem, but just spring
tension. All you need to do is unscrew the nut (put a rag under the screw as a
small amount of oil will leak out. Unscrew the nut (which is hollow) and place
a shim under the spring in the bottom of the nut, this will shorten the spring
and add a little more pressure to the spring setup. A 1/8" shim will add about
10 psi. I added 1/4" and mine came up to 66 psi.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru |
can't boil ove
Hi! Roger
Tks for the prompt reply.
Yes I had 600 hours of Jab overheating but now a little on tender hooks
after today's experience with the new 914.
I don't really want to use the Evans option since it is seemingly
inflammable. Do you know what the increased poundage cap is? So I can
verify what I've been issued?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Ps appreciate your oil pressure uplift tip too.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Lee
Sent: 01 September 2007 20:52
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the
Jabiru can't boil ove
<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Bob,
But Jabirus do over heat.
The answer I would pick form your mutiple choice is "D".
Medium rpm with a finer pitch. To course a pitch makes the engine work
harder at low rpm which will builds heat faster. You want a finer pitch
while at idle to let the engine work easier and with the medium rpm you
may get a little more air flow.
Do you have a newer Roatx engine? If not you may want to check and see
if you have the newer higher pressure radiator cap from a SB. If boiling
over becomes an ongoing problem you may want to consider Evans NPG+
because its boiling point is about 100F higher than 50/50.
That said 50/50 will run about 40 F cooler after you are in the air with
some better airflow.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't |
boil over !
I don't know about prop setting, but minimum idle speed with a fixed
pitch prop is best for keeping cool.
Duncan McF.
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From: R.C.Harrison
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Nothing new then .......? At least the
Jabiru can't boil over !
Something fresh for you to "hew over ?"
Hi! All.
Rotax advice please....
What's best on a delayed departure to beat overheating assuming parked
into wind?
a) minimum idle with a course prop. setting
or
b) minimum idle with a fine prop. setting?
Or
c) medium RPM with a course prop setting?
Or
d) medium RPM with a fine prop. setting ?
I managed a boil up today pleased I didn't "go for it" because it
happens in a flash.
Bob H
G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru |
can't boil over !
At 11:33 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote:
>Hi! All.
>
>Rotax advice please=85=85..
>
>What=92s best on a delayed departure to beat
>overheating assuming parked into wind?
Well, I'd go for e) Shut down.
My 582 starts so reliably that I regularly shut
it down while holding. My understanding of 91X's
is that they too start absolutely reliably when
warm. You'd never do this with a Lycoming or
Continental because they do not hot start nearly as reliably.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical system 912S |
Hugh, Not sure but I do believe the wiring systems for both the
912UL/ULS are the same. The Savannah aircraft kit #3 was a complete
Engine/ airframe kit all electrical system came with a pre-assembled
harness, "plug and play" as the saying goes. I haven' had any discharge
problems as of yet but your information is now on file should I need to
revert to it. A few years back I ordered Bob Nuckolls "Aeroelectric
Connection" and have acquired overnight an unbelievable education in
aircraft electronics. Again thanks
RJ
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From: Hugh McKay III<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Electrical system 912S
Roger:
I know you have a 912S and not a 912 UL, but just a few other points
concerning the electrical wiring for the 912 UL. If you wire the engine
as shown in the Rotax 912 UL Installation manual, page 46 of 66, under
Section17 Electrical System (I am assuming 912S electrical system is the
same as the 912 UL, if not, forget what I am about to tell you) you will
drain the battery down while your plane is in the hanger even though you
have turned the ignition switch off. I had this problem for some time
and could not understand why until an electrical technician from
Sanford, NC told me what to do. I am not an electrical engineer or an
electrical tech., but it solved my problem.
Yes, the capacitor (+) goes to the +B connection on the regulator, but
it is also connected to the R, L, and C terminals (see the Rotax engine
wiring diagram). What the diagram does not show is that you must have a
disconnect (breaker or switch) between the Capacitor (+) and the C
terminal on the regulator to break this circuit leg when the engine is
not running. Because I had already finished my panel and the wiring was
finished, the quickest way to fix the problem for me was to add another
breaker/ switch (I use Potter-Brumfield Series W23 breakers through out
my panel which serve the dual function of breaker protection and as a
switch) in the panel to physically break this circuit when the engine is
off. I simply have this procedure to close or open the circuit on my
checklist for start-up and shutdown. If you catch this early enough you
may be able to take care of the problem by correctly wiring it through
the ignition switch such that the Capacitor (+) and C terminal is broken
when you turn your switch to OFF. However you do it, this circuit must
be open when the engine is OFF.
Hugh McKay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger
Roy
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:11 PM
To: rotaxengines-list
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Electrical system 912S
Thanks to Thilo, Hugh and Roger for their advise on the installation
of a capacitor. Do you think the (+) lead of the capacitor be installed
directly into the B+ connection of the regulator or would it be better
at another location. I am planning on a firewall install with an Adell
clamp (cushion clamp) any inputs on that?
RJ
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| Subject: | Re: Nothing new then .......? At least the Jabiru can't |
boil ove
Hi Bob,
The new radiator cap part numbers is 922070 and it is 18 psi verses the old one
at 13 psi.
I would try reducing engine load like the above post first.
The other thing is don't worry about the Evans. It is used in worse conditions
than ours. It is also less flammable and of limited quanity than other items that
will burn in your engine compartment. The Evans is the least of your worries.
Just have to put Evans in perspective with everything else. There are other
things in the engine compartment that burn easier, faster and hotter.
Firefighter and Hazmat Tech. 28 years.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
What was used for shiming?
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lee<mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Oil Pressure
<ssadiver1@yahoo.com<mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>>
Hi Guys,
Adjusted my oil pressure today from 46psi to 66psi. It only takes a
shim and a few minutes to adjust if anyone wants to make an adjustment.
There is a 17mm nut just under the oil filter and slightly to the left.
This nut holds a spring and ball bearing up inside. This helps control
your oil pressure. Mine had dropped over time from 55 to 46psi, not from
an engine problem, but just spring tension. All you need to do is
unscrew the nut (put a rag under the screw as a small amount of oil will
leak out. Unscrew the nut (which is hollow) and place a shim under the
spring in the bottom of the nut, this will shorten the spring and add a
little more pressure to the spring setup. A 1/8" shim will add about 10
psi. I added 1/4" and mine came up to 66 psi.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Hello out There? |
I posted the question about the charging system. after fully charging the
Batteries I have had no problem with the thing. I also foreword the posting
about John Houk flying in AK just for the pic
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
You can buy the shims from Rotax or make your own. I made my own. You can use aluminum,
stainless or lexan. Lexan is the easiest to shape in a small round circle.
It just takes a few minutes with a Dremel. Very easy to get the pressure
you want.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure |
Roger...
IMHO to use aluminium for the packing under the spring would be a "no
no" since the spring will chatter into the shim. Only use a steel shim.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Lee
Sent: 02 September 2007 02:44
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil Pressure
<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
You can buy the shims from Rotax or make your own. I made my own. You
can use aluminum, stainless or lexan. Lexan is the easiest to shape in a
small round circle. It just takes a few minutes with a Dremel. Very easy
to get the pressure you want.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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in
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Download Via FTP
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RotaxEngines-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RotaxEngines-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RotaxEngines-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RotaxEngines-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RotaxEngines-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RotaxEngines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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