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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (R.C.Harrison)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist ()
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Mike Parkin)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Hello out There? (Hugh McKay III)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Hello out There? (Noel Loveys)
6. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Thilo Kind)
7. 10:36 AM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Gilles Thesee)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Hugh McKay III)
9. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Thilo Kind)
10. 02:26 PM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (R.C.Harrison)
11. 02:52 PM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Roger Lee)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Roger Roy)
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Hi!Roger
No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot
to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since
when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours
it runs cooler anyway.
I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no
difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a
dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their
burn really well.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Lee
Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Bob,
So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help
you?
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Hi Bob
"I tried the half choke setting in flight"
I meant for you to try 1/2 to full choke on ground to try and cool things
down!
Actual it is not a choke but an enrichening circuit. It does nothing much
/ above idle to richen things up! Thus your inflight test is exact as I
would suspect.
Giveratry on ground and please report.
How does full course and 2500 (also try 3000 and 3500) RPM do (angled into
wind) to help cool?
Ron P.
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Bob,
Perhaps you should open up the 'gills' in the top fairing, as you know I do
not have any overheating problem using 50/50. It can't make the situation
worse,
regards,
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Hello out There? |
Roger:
I've had my 912 UL flying (Allegro 2000) for a little over two months now.
After two years of building the Allegro 2000 it is indeed joy to be in it
with the Rotax`912. The engine purrrr's like a kitten! In fact most pilots
at our small field (N92) want me to put a horn on the plane so they will
know when I am on the ground, as well as when I am in the air. The past two
years of sharing info on this engine has helped me immensely. I could not be
more pleased with it. Lets keep on sharing our experiences and knowledge.
Thanks for all you have shared.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
(N92) Laneys, in Catawba County, NC
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There?
Hi Rocky and Denise,
I glad to hear and see people are out enjoying life and flying both. You
will like the 912 for many years to come.
I'm also happy to see that all of us are sharing ideas, education and issues
here on the forum. I think it makes everyones life easier and more fun.
We don't have to share problems we can share our fun and trips, too.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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Subject: | Re: Hello out There? |
Rocky
Can you send a couple of pictures of your installation to me? What I'm
looking for right now is pictures of how the engine is mounted and
possibly
how you mounted the oil reservoir. If you have any could you post them
to
the list or directly to me at noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Thanks
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Denise and Rocky Whitman
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:09 AM
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There?
>
>
> Whitman" <rocky1@moment.net>
>
> Hi y'all,
>
> Well, after 3000+ miles for the sign off break-in, I would
> say that a
> flawless flight from
> Texas to Idaho and back puts my 912S somewhere in my soul
> now. I've had
> enough
> $16,000 lycoming annuals. I've finally gotten myself back
> into something
> in aviation
> that makes sense and makes me smile. My Kitfox with a 912S
> purring on the
> front,
> twisting thru Moab Ut... Yeah, I had a good week.
>
> Denise and Rocky Whitman
> Kitfox 7, 4 years 912S
> Comp.June,07
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:25 PM
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There?
>
>
> <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I agree the good news as always is that the Rotax 912 just keeps on
> > ticking, like a Timex, but we all need to consider the
> feeding and care to
> > keep it happy for 10-15 years. If you could do something
> now for $25
> > wouldn't that be better than $800 or more later.
> > The idea of the first post was just to stimulate thought
> and for people to
> > think about the future and maint. of their great engine,
> nothing more.
> > Maybe to get more people involved in their own maint. of the engine.
> > I have had a couple of 912's and think they are a great engine.
> > Just want to help people keep their investment in good
> healthy shape.
> >
> > P.S.
> > I'm not a Jabiru fan.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131939#131939
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Hi there,
I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the cowling
(original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to climb
to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I typically see
210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT temperature on the other
hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's a bit higher, since the sensor
is not properly calibrated).
Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling hoses
from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in flight.
Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground within 4 minutes.
During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of cooling fluid.
Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid. Pretty good engine....
Thilo
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100
> Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi!Roger
> No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot
> to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since
> when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours
> it runs cooler anyway.
> I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no
> difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a
> dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their
> burn really well.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> Lee
> Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
>
> <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help
> you?
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Thilo Kind a crit :
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the cowling
(original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to climb
to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I typically see
210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT temperature on the other
hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's a bit higher, since the sensor
is not properly calibrated).
Can you give us more detail about your setup ?
Where and how do you measure water temp ? Radiator exit, radiator entry,
etc...?
Witch of the two CHT probes are you using, front, rear ? 100 F is
really not a working temperature for the the cylinder heads. You already
read that in a hangar on a hot day...
Something must be wrong....
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
Thilo:
What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose, loose
clamp, or what?
Hugh McKay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thilo Kind
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
twist
Hi there,
I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the
cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to
climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I
typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT
temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's
a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated).
Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling
hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in
flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground within
4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of
cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid.
Pretty good engine....
Thilo
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100
> Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
twist
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi!Roger
> No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot
> to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since
> when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours
> it runs cooler anyway.
> I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no
> difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a
> dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their
> burn really well.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> Lee
> Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
>
> <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help
> you?
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller |
twist
I am not entirely sure. what caused the hose to burst. It was the hose from the
water rad to an aluminum tube and from there from another hose to the pump. The
hose did burst lengthwise over a length of approx 12".
It looked like it started at the aluminum tubing, so I suspect the edge of the
aluminum tube was too sharp (although I couldn't feel any burrs). The hose was
not near the exhaust or any other hot items.
Thilo Kind
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:25 -0400
> Von: "Hugh McKay III" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
> An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
> <hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
>
> Thilo:
>
> What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose, loose
> clamp, or what?
>
> Hugh McKay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thilo
> Kind
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
> twist
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath
> the
> cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start
> to
> climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I
> typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT
> temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F
> (it's
> a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated).
>
> Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling
> hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in
> flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground
> within
> 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of
> cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid.
> Pretty good engine....
>
> Thilo
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100
> > Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
> twist
>
> > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi!Roger
> > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot
> > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since
> > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours
> > it runs cooler anyway.
> > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no
> > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a
> > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their
> > burn really well.
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> > Lee
> > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14
> > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
> >
> > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help
> > you?
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
You just may be right Mike However I'll leave it until it has loosened
up a bit.
Regards Bob h
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Parkin
Sent: 06 September 2007 14:07
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
<mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Bob,
Perhaps you should open up the 'gills' in the top fairing, as you know I
do
not have any overheating problem using 50/50. It can't make the
situation
worse,
regards,
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist |
I agree that 100F sounds way off. It has to be higher than that if the engine is
running especially this time of year.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133146#133146
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Subject: | Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller |
twist
Hey Thilo, your description of your installation is similar to mine. Q.
Is the aluminum tube something you made or was it provided in your FWF
kit if it was a kit, my tube was pre-bent by the kit manufacturer. the
hose from the Rad to the aluminum tube is a 1" ID, 4" L wire reinforced
gates high pressure hose and from the Al tube to the water pump fitting
same type hose about 10 " long, the Aluminum tube is secured at each end
by two Adel clamps to the engine mount. I guess that was real good info
you provided the list. I often thought about coolant failure and what
catastrophic event would occur, like a Timex watch "Takes a licking, and
keeps on ticking"
Above all Thilo thank the Almighty all went well for you, Cheers
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Thilo Kind<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now
propeller twist
<thilo.kind@gmx.net<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net>>
I am not entirely sure. what caused the hose to burst. It was the hose
from the water rad to an aluminum tube and from there from another hose
to the pump. The hose did burst lengthwise over a length of approx 12".
It looked like it started at the aluminum tubing, so I suspect the
edge of the aluminum tube was too sharp (although I couldn't feel any
burrs). The hose was not near the exhaust or any other hot items.
Thilo Kind
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:25 -0400
> Von: "Hugh McKay III"
<hgmckay@bellsouth.net<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>>
> An:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Betreff: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now
propeller twist
> <hgmckay@bellsouth.net<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Thilo:
>
> What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose,
loose
> clamp, or what?
>
> Hugh McKay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rotaxengines-li
st-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Thilo
> Kind
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM
> To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now
propeller
> twist
>
<thilo.kind@gmx.net<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net>>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad
unerneath
> the
> cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps
start
> to
> climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I
> typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT
> temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100
F
> (it's
> a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated).
>
> Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the
cooling
> hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant
fluid in
> flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the
ground
> within
> 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack
of
> cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of
fluid.
> Pretty good engine....
>
> Thilo
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100
> > Von: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>>
> > An:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now
propeller
> twist
>
> > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>>
> >
> > Hi!Roger
> > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is
too hot
> > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present,
since
> > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50
hours
> > it runs cooler anyway.
> > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no
> > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have
had a
> > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control
their
> > burn really well.
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
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> > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Roger
> > Lee
> > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14
> > To:
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> > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
twist
> >
> > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com<mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not
help
> > you?
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
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