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Thu 09/06/07


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     1. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (R.C.Harrison)
     2. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist ()
     3. 06:07 AM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Mike Parkin)
     4. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Hello out There? (Hugh McKay III)
     5. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Hello out There? (Noel Loveys)
     6. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Thilo Kind)
     7. 10:36 AM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Gilles Thesee)
     8. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Hugh McKay III)
     9. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Thilo Kind)
    10. 02:26 PM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (R.C.Harrison)
    11. 02:52 PM - Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Roger Lee)
    12. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist (Roger Roy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:07:52 AM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    Hi!Roger No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours it runs cooler anyway. I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their burn really well. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> Hi Bob, So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help you? -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994


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    Time: 03:54:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Bob "I tried the half choke setting in flight" I meant for you to try 1/2 to full choke on ground to try and cool things down! Actual it is not a choke but an enrichening circuit. It does nothing much / above idle to richen things up! Thus your inflight test is exact as I would suspect. Giveratry on ground and please report. How does full course and 2500 (also try 3000 and 3500) RPM do (angled into wind) to help cool? Ron P.


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    Time: 06:07:43 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    Bob, Perhaps you should open up the 'gills' in the top fairing, as you know I do not have any overheating problem using 50/50. It can't make the situation worse, regards, Mike do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. LTCSERVER


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    Time: 08:09:01 AM PST US
    From: "Hugh McKay III" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hello out There?
    Roger: I've had my 912 UL flying (Allegro 2000) for a little over two months now. After two years of building the Allegro 2000 it is indeed joy to be in it with the Rotax`912. The engine purrrr's like a kitten! In fact most pilots at our small field (N92) want me to put a horn on the plane so they will know when I am on the ground, as well as when I am in the air. The past two years of sharing info on this engine has helped me immensely. I could not be more pleased with it. Lets keep on sharing our experiences and knowledge. Thanks for all you have shared. Hugh McKay Allegro 2000 Rotax 912 UL N661WW (N92) Laneys, in Catawba County, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There? Hi Rocky and Denise, I glad to hear and see people are out enjoying life and flying both. You will like the 912 for many years to come. I'm also happy to see that all of us are sharing ideas, education and issues here on the forum. I think it makes everyones life easier and more fun. We don't have to share problems we can share our fun and trips, too. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133027#133027


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    Time: 09:28:44 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Hello out There?
    Rocky Can you send a couple of pictures of your installation to me? What I'm looking for right now is pictures of how the engine is mounted and possibly how you mounted the oil reservoir. If you have any could you post them to the list or directly to me at noelloveys@yahoo.ca Thanks Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Denise and Rocky Whitman > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:09 AM > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There? > > > Whitman" <rocky1@moment.net> > > Hi y'all, > > Well, after 3000+ miles for the sign off break-in, I would > say that a > flawless flight from > Texas to Idaho and back puts my 912S somewhere in my soul > now. I've had > enough > $16,000 lycoming annuals. I've finally gotten myself back > into something > in aviation > that makes sense and makes me smile. My Kitfox with a 912S > purring on the > front, > twisting thru Moab Ut... Yeah, I had a good week. > > Denise and Rocky Whitman > Kitfox 7, 4 years 912S > Comp.June,07 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> > To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:25 PM > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Hello out There? > > > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I agree the good news as always is that the Rotax 912 just keeps on > > ticking, like a Timex, but we all need to consider the > feeding and care to > > keep it happy for 10-15 years. If you could do something > now for $25 > > wouldn't that be better than $800 or more later. > > The idea of the first post was just to stimulate thought > and for people to > > think about the future and maint. of their great engine, > nothing more. > > Maybe to get more people involved in their own maint. of the engine. > > I have had a couple of 912's and think they are a great engine. > > Just want to help people keep their investment in good > healthy shape. > > > > P.S. > > I'm not a Jabiru fan. > > > > -------- > > Roger Lee > > Tucson, Az. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131939#131939 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:29:35 AM PST US
    From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    Hi there, I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated). Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground within 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid. Pretty good engine.... Thilo -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100 > Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi!Roger > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours > it runs cooler anyway. > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their > burn really well. > Regards > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger > Lee > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14 > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> > > Hi Bob, > > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help > you? > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail


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    Time: 10:36:38 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    Thilo Kind a crit : > > Hi there, > > I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated). Can you give us more detail about your setup ? Where and how do you measure water temp ? Radiator exit, radiator entry, etc...? Witch of the two CHT probes are you using, front, rear ? 100 F is really not a working temperature for the the cylinder heads. You already read that in a hangar on a hot day... Something must be wrong.... Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 12:07:56 PM PST US
    From: "Hugh McKay III" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    Thilo: What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose, loose clamp, or what? Hugh McKay -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thilo Kind Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist Hi there, I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath the cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start to climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F (it's a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated). Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground within 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid. Pretty good engine.... Thilo -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100 > Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi!Roger > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours > it runs cooler anyway. > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their > burn really well. > Regards > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger > Lee > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14 > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> > > Hi Bob, > > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help > you? > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994 > > -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail


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    Time: 01:22:01 PM PST US
    From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
    twist I am not entirely sure. what caused the hose to burst. It was the hose from the water rad to an aluminum tube and from there from another hose to the pump. The hose did burst lengthwise over a length of approx 12". It looked like it started at the aluminum tubing, so I suspect the edge of the aluminum tube was too sharp (although I couldn't feel any burrs). The hose was not near the exhaust or any other hot items. Thilo Kind -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:25 -0400 > Von: "Hugh McKay III" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> > > Thilo: > > What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose, loose > clamp, or what? > > Hugh McKay > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thilo > Kind > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller > twist > > > Hi there, > > I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath > the > cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start > to > climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I > typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT > temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F > (it's > a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated). > > Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling > hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in > flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground > within > 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of > cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid. > Pretty good engine.... > > Thilo > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100 > > Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller > twist > > > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > > > Hi!Roger > > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot > > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since > > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours > > it runs cooler anyway. > > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no > > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a > > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their > > burn really well. > > Regards > > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger > > Lee > > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14 > > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > > > > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help > > you? > > > > -------- > > Roger Lee > > Tucson, Az. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > > > > > > > -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail


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    Time: 02:26:28 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    You just may be right Mike However I'll leave it until it has loosened up a bit. Regards Bob h -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: 06 September 2007 14:07 Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> Bob, Perhaps you should open up the 'gills' in the top fairing, as you know I do not have any overheating problem using 50/50. It can't make the situation worse, regards, Mike do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. LTCSERVER


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    Time: 02:52:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    I agree that 100F sounds way off. It has to be higher than that if the engine is running especially this time of year. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133146#133146


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    Time: 02:55:29 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller
    twist Hey Thilo, your description of your installation is similar to mine. Q. Is the aluminum tube something you made or was it provided in your FWF kit if it was a kit, my tube was pre-bent by the kit manufacturer. the hose from the Rad to the aluminum tube is a 1" ID, 4" L wire reinforced gates high pressure hose and from the Al tube to the water pump fitting same type hose about 10 " long, the Aluminum tube is secured at each end by two Adel clamps to the engine mount. I guess that was real good info you provided the list. I often thought about coolant failure and what catastrophic event would occur, like a Timex watch "Takes a licking, and keeps on ticking" Above all Thilo thank the Almighty all went well for you, Cheers RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Thilo Kind<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist <thilo.kind@gmx.net<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net>> I am not entirely sure. what caused the hose to burst. It was the hose from the water rad to an aluminum tube and from there from another hose to the pump. The hose did burst lengthwise over a length of approx 12". It looked like it started at the aluminum tubing, so I suspect the edge of the aluminum tube was too sharp (although I couldn't feel any burrs). The hose was not near the exhaust or any other hot items. Thilo Kind -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:07:25 -0400 > Von: "Hugh McKay III" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>> > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> > Betreff: RE: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > <hgmckay@bellsouth.net<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>> > > Thilo: > > What caused the radiator hose to burst? Was is a defective hose, loose > clamp, or what? > > Hugh McKay > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rotaxengines-li st-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thilo > Kind > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:29 PM > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller > twist > <thilo.kind@gmx.net<mailto:thilo.kind@gmx.net>> > > Hi there, > > I'm flying a Zodiac 601 HDS with Rotax 912 with the water rad unerneath > the > cowling (original Rotax rad). Depending on the OAT the water temps start > to > climb to 220 F over a period of 10 minutes or so. During climb out I > typically see 210 F. In cruise, the water temps drop to 140 F. CHT > temperature on the other hand does stay pretty stable at around 100 F > (it's > a bit higher, since the sensor is not properly calibrated). > > Also, a few weeks ago I had an incident with the Rotax: one of the cooling > hoses from the rad to the pump burst open and I lost all coolant fluid in > flight. Luckily, I was right over the airpoirt and down at the ground > within > 4 minutes. During that time, the CHT temps didn't go up despite lack of > cooling fluid. Also, the water pump was not damaged due to lack of fluid. > Pretty good engine.... > > Thilo > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:07:10 +0100 > > Von: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> > > An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> > > Betreff: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller > twist > > > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk<mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> > > > > Hi!Roger > > No. Not that I could tell. Maximum 5 minutes and the coolant is too hot > > to make a dash for it! I'm resigned to accept that at present, since > > when flying it's fine. I get words of advice that after 10 to 50 hours > > it runs cooler anyway. > > I tried the half choke setting in flight yesterday and it made no > > difference to coolant temps. I thought running richer would have had a > > dramatic effect since the guys with a mixture facility can control their > > burn really well. > > Regards > > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rotaxengines-li st-server@matronics.com> > > [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger > > Lee > > Sent: 06 September 2007 02:14 > > To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Was Nothing new then now propeller twist > > > > <ssadiver1@yahoo.com<mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>> > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > So changing the throttle setting a little higher or lower did not help > > you? > > > > -------- > > Roger Lee > > Tucson, Az. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994<http://forums matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132994#132994> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail<http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail> > > > > > > > -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. 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