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1. 02:29 AM - Re: 912 oil filters (Roger Roy)
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3. 04:51 AM - Re: 912 oil filters (Robert Borger)
4. 05:52 AM - Fw: Re: Rotax Oil Filter Question (Robert Borger)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: 912 oil filters (Dave Austin)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: 912 oil filters (Jack Kuehn)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: 912 oil filters (Roger Roy)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Rotax Oil Filter Question ()
9. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: 912 oil filters (Noel Loveys)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Rotax Oil Filter Question (Noel Loveys)
11. 09:16 PM - Re: 912 oil filters (Roger Lee)
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
Hugh, WOW! that sounds like a years Oil Change filter supply for a year.
A couple of the chapter members are using WIX 51056 on their Rotax 912
UL 80hp for a couple of years now with no problems. With the cost of
fuel I would suspect prices will definitely skyrockett and many of us
will go to the automotive filter for sure. Bob's website has info that
sort of opened my eyes the statement that damage to engine/oil system
will depleat in approx. 30 seconds
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 912 oil filters
Bob:
I must disagree with you on the price of the Rotax Filter and the
Purolator 1 PL10241 Filter. By the time I get the Rotax filter from
Lockwood Aviation with normal shipping the bill to my credit card is
$31.33. This is outrageous! The Purolator 1 is only $5.88, and the store
is right around the corner. I have not used the Purolator filter yet and
am getting conflicting information about the two filters. I am trying to
find out the real differences in the two filters to justify$31.33 vs.
$5.88. Cane anyone else add to this discussion?
Hugh McKay in NC
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BOB
MCMILLIN
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:16 AM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 oil filters
I do not know by pass psi rating but can is rated for 500 psi burst .
is a bigger filter and gives no oil pressure fluctuations like some
other automotive filters i.e. bypass sticking or to high or low psi
setting, price is the same as the rotax filter its just available
locally. bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 912 oil filters
Bob:
Your comment is well taken, however, you and Roger Lee seem to be on
opposite sides of the fence on the matter of using automotive oil
filters for the Rotax 912 UL. Check the Archive for this subject on this
forum or drop him a note directly. The date of his comments is 12/29/06
on the Rotax engine forum. In his comments he states that the Purolator
1, PL10241 has a bypass rating of 12 psi. I do not know what the by-pass
relief valve setting in psi is on the Rotax filter. Can you shed more
light on this for all of us?
Hugh McKay in NC
Allegro 2000
912 UL
N661WW
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rlborger
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:24 PM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 oil filters
Jack,
It's a serious No-No. You do NOT EVER want to use an automotive oil
filter in the Rotax engine. The issue isn't filtration but pressure
relief valve setting. Automotive filters have a much lower pressure
relief valve which will allow dirty oil back into the engine before
filter change time. Resulting damage will make a real Rotax oil filter
seem dirt cheap.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL<http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL>
(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in,
flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete.
Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for testing. Rotax
914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop installed. Electrical
complete, except for testing. Fuel system complete except for testing.
Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior &
Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero.
E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Jack Kuehn wrote:
<jack.kuehn@gmail.com<mailto:jack.kuehn@gmail.com>>
What's the latest on using automotive oil filters on a 912UL? Is
there a K&N that is of high enough quality and proper fit?
Jack
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters912 oil filters912 oil filters912 |
oil filters
Hugh,
Since our Allegro is certificated as SLSA we have to follow Rotax
recommendations to the letter or risk losing the Special LSA.
Therefore we use the Rotax filters.
To make it more economical I shop around to all the suppliers and ask
for shipping charges when on the phone with them. I also buy 2 filters
at a time to save on shipping. Sometimes you can catch them on sale
and get a decent price. I don't recall who I bought the last two from
but it was not Lockwood and I didn't pay $15 for shipping, that is
certain. Also, when shopping around use the phone because some of
these suppliers have a low ball price in their on-line catalog and
when you get the product the invoice is much higher. You complain and
they tell you they just got a price increase and had not had time to
update the on-line catalog. Good story but then a month later the low-
ball price is still there.
Thom in Buffalo
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
Roger,
It don't believe that it is in any of the SIs or SBs from Rotax. I don't think
it is a Rotax recommendation. I believe it is a recommendation specifically
from Lockwood. The folks at Lockwood have seen a LOT of engines come back to
them for maintenance or repair. They noticed that folks who dumped the oil out
of the bottom of the oil reservoir for an oil change don't clean out the reservoir.
This is especially true of the folks who have installed a quick drain
on the bottom of the reservoir. And even more necessary if you regularly use
100LL. The gunk and lead residue should be cleaned out of the reservoir at each
oil change anyway. So why not just remove the reservoir full of oil and get
it all away from the aircraft to dump and clean.
Lockwood also recommend that the oil reservoir and all components be "clocked."
That is, they should be marked so that it is assembled and oriented with all
components placed in the same position. I'm writing this at work. When I get
home this afternoon, I'll go back to my class notes and see if I have left anything
out.
Oh yes, DON"T GET THE IN AND OUT LINES MIXED UP WHEN YOU PUT THE RESERVOIR BACK
IN! This is one area where there could be some improvement. There should be
different fittings on the IN and OUT lines on the reservoir so that one can
not cross-up the lines. The results of such a mix-up is disastrous to both the
engine and pocket book.
Check six,
Bob
On Tuesday, November 20, 2007, at 12:10AM, "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com> wrote:
>Bob, I did take time to view all 145 pics in your Lockwood school album very interesting
and an excellent job with the camera. One thing that sort of raised
the hair on the back of my neck was the fact that a statement made as to the
removal, disassembly, cleaning and reinstallation of that oil tank. Unless I missed
it I checked ROAN's SB and SL as well as the line maintenance manual and
no where could I find that task, can you shed some light on that?
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Subject: | Fwd: RE: Rotax Oil Filter Question |
Hugh & the rest of the Rotax crowd,
Here's the reply from Dean, the instructor at Lockwood Aviation along with the
question I posed.
FWIW, I also have done like Thom and ordered my oil filters in batches to minimize
the shipping costs and amortize it over a number of filters.
Check six,
Bob Borger
>From: "Dean Vogel"
>To: "'rlborger'" <rlborger@mac.com>
>Date: November 20, 2007 07:34:12 AM CST
>Subject: RE: Rotax Oil Filter Question
>
>No I can't, the one thing I know is that the pressure is about 25% higher on
>the Rotax filter than on the normal automotive filter. So if you need to be
>at 120F oil temperature before you can be sure the Rotax filter is running
>filtered oil through the system, what temperature do you have to be at with
>the automotive filters?
>
>Thanks for helping to keep people safe.
>Dean
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rlborger [mailto:rlborger@mac.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:53 PM
>To: Dean Vogel
>Cc: rlborger
>Subject: Rotax Oil Filter Question
>
>Dean,
>
>There's a thread on the Aeroelectric Rotax Forum concerning the use
>of automotive oil filters on the Rotax engine. I posted a comment
>that the use of automotive filters was a bad idea and explained that
>the bypass pressure was lower on the automotive filters than with the
>Rotax filter. Folks have come back and asked what the bypass
>pressure was on the Rotax filter. I've checked my notes from class
>and I did not make note of it if the information was presented. Can
>you provide the bypass pressure for the Rotax filter?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob Borger
>Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
>http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
>(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
>system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
>Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
>in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
>complete. Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for
>testing. Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop
>installed. Electrical complete, except for some final testing. Fuel
>system complete except for testing. Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door
>Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29
>Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived
>and is being installed.
>3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>Corinth, TX 76208
>Home: 940-497-2123
>Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
Roger,
How do I get to your post? Were you recommending certain filters?
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
The oil filter question is not a simple one! I know that Challenger
sells one for the 912 that is supposed to be better than the Rotax
filter, and that is what I have used for the last 70 hours, but I
wonder why the K&N is not just as good. It is not about price so much
as availability. Buying local is so much better than mail order!
There is an accident report on the FAA records of a 912 that lost its
oil because the Fram filter has a slightly different thread and it
came off. All filters must be wired...easy to do with a big hose
clamp around the filter, wired to the engine. I have this info on
bypass pressures from someone on the Sky Ranger list.
1. Purolator
Pure One PL10241 [u]Best[/u]
Synthetic medium and more than Mahle, 3.3" long
bypass starts at 12 psi
2. Mobile-1 M1-102
Synthetic medium and more than Mahle
bypass starts at 12psi
Mahle OC 11 which is the Rotax 825-701 2.44" long Good filter
bypass starts at 13 psi, less filter sq. in. surface medium than Pure
One or Fram
3. Fram Tough Guard TG3614
standard paper type medium, 3.3" long
bypass starts at 12 psi
No, 1psi does not make a difference and each filter varies slightly anyway.
On Nov 20, 2007 7:03 AM, Dave Austin <daveaustin2@primus.ca> wrote:
>
> Roger,
> How do I get to your post? Were you recommending certain filters?
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
>
>
(406)273-6801
(406)546-1086 cell
jack.kuehn@gmail.com
(406)273-2563 fax
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
Bob,
Thanks for the comeback. I have a Savannah (CH-701 look alike) and I do
have a drain at the bottom of the oil tank. I do not use AVGAS and my
oil gets changed every 25 hours. So for me most my oil changes might be
a waste of time and money as the oil always looks fresh, but it gives me
the opportunity to check things out under the "hood". But I do concur
with tank removal, cleaning, indexing the subassemblies and
reinstallation but in my case that will be an item added to my
Conditional Annual Inspection
thanks again Bob, have a great Turkey day
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Borger<mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
To:
rotaxengines-list@matronics.com<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 oil filters
<rlborger@mac.com<mailto:rlborger@mac.com>>
Roger,
It don't believe that it is in any of the SIs or SBs from Rotax. I
don't think it is a Rotax recommendation. I believe it is a
recommendation specifically from Lockwood. The folks at Lockwood have
seen a LOT of engines come back to them for maintenance or repair. They
noticed that folks who dumped the oil out of the bottom of the oil
reservoir for an oil change don't clean out the reservoir. This is
especially true of the folks who have installed a quick drain on the
bottom of the reservoir. And even more necessary if you regularly use
100LL. The gunk and lead residue should be cleaned out of the reservoir
at each oil change anyway. So why not just remove the reservoir full of
oil and get it all away from the aircraft to dump and clean.
Lockwood also recommend that the oil reservoir and all components be
"clocked." That is, they should be marked so that it is assembled and
oriented with all components placed in the same position. I'm writing
this at work. When I get home this afternoon, I'll go back to my class
notes and see if I have left anything out.
Oh yes, DON"T GET THE IN AND OUT LINES MIXED UP WHEN YOU PUT THE
RESERVOIR BACK IN! This is one area where there could be some
improvement. There should be different fittings on the IN and OUT lines
on the reservoir so that one can not cross-up the lines. The results of
such a mix-up is disastrous to both the engine and pocket book.
Check six,
Bob
On Tuesday, November 20, 2007, at 12:10AM, "Roger Roy"
<Savannah174@msn.com<mailto:Savannah174@msn.com>> wrote:
>Bob, I did take time to view all 145 pics in your Lockwood school
album very interesting and an excellent job with the camera. One thing
that sort of raised the hair on the back of my neck was the fact that a
statement made as to the removal, disassembly, cleaning and
reinstallation of that oil tank. Unless I missed it I checked ROAN's SB
and SL as well as the line maintenance manual and no where could I find
that task, can you shed some light on that?
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on>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List<http://www.matronics
com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List>
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: RE: Rotax Oil Filter Question |
Curious question.
I plan on using Rotax oil filters, this way if there is ever a change or
recall, I am not the one to find out.
The curious question is what exactly is the problem with sending
unfiltered oil through your engine? There is a screen in the oil tank?
I owned a 1948 Cessna 170 with a C-145 (just bout same as O-300) for 19
years, and it didn't have an oil filter, just a "snake catcher" with holes
like 1/8". Never had a failure, and we majored motor within first few
years, no major wear or damage, and today the new owner is 3/4 the way to
major again with no major troubles.
I have heard also that the screen in the oil tank gets clogged especial
when using 100LL, but that happens with a Rotax filter?? This should be a
reasonable snake catcher?
I also own 2 1957 BMW Isettas, they have no oil filters either.
(Is it debris that will trash oil pump? Debris that will clog oil passages
(where)? Debris that will collapse lifters? Just curious, I would think
that Rotax would have sized the screen mesh in oil tank to prevent?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I also own 3 early 90s Volvo turbo wagons. It just so happens Volvo uses
Mann as Mfg for their filters. Early on I sawed opened Volvo and other
filters, Mann was far superior to others but felt the same and looked the
same. The bypass on some were poor at best. I only use Mann filters
purchased by the dozen.
I read very careful, and looked in detail at my 1983 Volvo turbo wagon
that used Garette air cooled turbo that is very close to 914 Rotax. I know
I am going to get flamed on this one, but my findings were it is in your
best interest to fill to top the oil filter before you install it! Many
who have never tried it think the entire contents will come pouring out.
"NOT". Slight bit of finesse and you will not spill a drop. Uncoordinated
and only a few drops. That will be on top of the many drops that happened
when unscrewing filter, unless you made hole and drained first. It is
surprising just how long it takes to fill filter completely full, it keeps
on absorbing. For a neat freak in an imposable cowled aeroplane, where
every drop is a problem, fill filter and freeze it, install quick with no
drops.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
I send and receive all posts through Microsoft Outlook. Never a problem
with time outs and spell check works too. :-)
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Roger Lee
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:40 PM
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 912 oil filters
>
>
> <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just typed a nice long explanation on filters and this
> website timed me out and I lost it all. When I calm down I
> may retype it. In the mean time look at:
>
> http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/filters.html
>
> There is some misinformation on some of the post. Just
> hearsay and no sound research. I think we can put all that in
> persprective.
>
> I'll be back. I think this time I'll type it under Word and
> attach it. This is the second time this site dumped my work.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147261#147261
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | RE: Rotax Oil Filter Question |
I've cleaned the screens on several lycos and changed the ones that had
filters too. The only difference I could see is the convenience factor of
having the filter. I found the screens always dropped quite a bit of oil
and there was nothing to do but sop it up. The screens were really only
thee to pick up large metal particles... If you found any you were probably
already too late. With the filters part of the job was to do an autopsy on
the filter.... Also looking for particulate glad to say we never found any
but then again the engines I worked on were relatively new.
I expect the Rotax engine wants the filter because next to the lycoming it
is a scalpel vs. a battle axe scenario with the Rotax being the scalpel.
The Rotax is oil and liquid cooled so it won't expand an change shape as
much as the lycoming.... It also revs a lot higher which can put additional
stresses on parts and oil alike.
In the near future I will be installing a low time 912 into my plane. I
expect to purchase a half dozen or so filters to have them on hand. If
Rotax requires those filters and only those filters that's good enough for
me.... It's like one of my instructors used to say.... Pay me now or pay me
later. I've been around long enough to have people pay me later... I'd
prefer to be in a different boat.
Noel
P.S. Sorry Ron... No flame here but I hope you changed to focus of the
thread.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:34 PM
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Fwd: RE: Rotax Oil Filter Question
>
>
>
> Curious question.
>
> I plan on using Rotax oil filters, this way if there is ever
> a change or
> recall, I am not the one to find out.
>
> The curious question is what exactly is the problem with sending
> unfiltered oil through your engine? There is a screen in the oil tank?
>
> I owned a 1948 Cessna 170 with a C-145 (just bout same as
> O-300) for 19
> years, and it didn't have an oil filter, just a "snake
> catcher" with holes
> like 1/8". Never had a failure, and we majored motor within first few
> years, no major wear or damage, and today the new owner is
> 3/4 the way to
> major again with no major troubles.
>
> I have heard also that the screen in the oil tank gets
> clogged especial
> when using 100LL, but that happens with a Rotax filter?? This
> should be a
> reasonable snake catcher?
>
> I also own 2 1957 BMW Isettas, they have no oil filters either.
>
> (Is it debris that will trash oil pump? Debris that will clog
> oil passages
> (where)? Debris that will collapse lifters? Just curious, I
> would think
> that Rotax would have sized the screen mesh in oil tank to prevent?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I also own 3 early 90s Volvo turbo wagons. It just so happens
> Volvo uses
> Mann as Mfg for their filters. Early on I sawed opened Volvo and other
> filters, Mann was far superior to others but felt the same
> and looked the
> same. The bypass on some were poor at best. I only use Mann filters
> purchased by the dozen.
>
> I read very careful, and looked in detail at my 1983 Volvo turbo wagon
> that used Garette air cooled turbo that is very close to 914
> Rotax. I know
> I am going to get flamed on this one, but my findings were it
> is in your
> best interest to fill to top the oil filter before you
> install it! Many
> who have never tried it think the entire contents will come
> pouring out.
> "NOT". Slight bit of finesse and you will not spill a drop.
> Uncoordinated
> and only a few drops. That will be on top of the many drops
> that happened
> when unscrewing filter, unless you made hole and drained first. It is
> surprising just how long it takes to fill filter completely
> full, it keeps
> on absorbing. For a neat freak in an imposable cowled aeroplane, where
> every drop is a problem, fill filter and freeze it, install
> quick with no
> drops.
>
> Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: 912 oil filters |
Here's my reply in an attachment. At least I got to type it out and send it this
time. [Laughing]
It's a Word document.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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