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1. 01:57 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Engine Vibration (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Hugh)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Engine Vibration (Thom Riddle)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: Engine Vibration (Roger Lee)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Engine Vibration (Thom Riddle)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Hugh)
9. 09:22 AM - Re: Engine Vibration (Mark Burton)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Carlos Trigo)
11. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Engine Vibration (Steve Hagar)
12. 06:08 PM - Rotax 94 and the Dynon EMS-D10 (Fergus Kyle)
13. 11:01 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:05 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
<<again I ask, how does one ordinary LSA pilot dynamically balance
> such an assembly??>>
Try:
http://www.smartavionics.com/pb/pb.html
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh" <hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
>
> Roger:
>
> Tracking and setting the pitch on my three blade prop assembly is not a
> real
> problem. I do this on my plane with the plane level and in the hanger.
> However, do you have any good ideas on how to set up a three blade
> WoodComp
> prop, Klassic 160/3/R (hub and bolts) for static balance? Seems to me one
> would need a mating flange to bolt the prop/hub assembly to. This assembly
> would then need to be concentrically bolted to a shaft that is in a
> bearing
> assembly that allows free rotation of the entire setup. Then, how does one
> statically balance a three blade prop?
>
> The other question is, how on earth does one dynamically balance such a
> prop
> assembly (three blade) while running at cruise speed?? Kind of hard to do
> in
> the air!! The WoodComp manual that came with the three blades states "
> each
> propeller (blades and hub) was factory assembled from blades with the same
> weight and center of gravity, then carefully balanced. Make sure you
> insert
> each blade into the appropriate opening in the center hub, blades and
> openings are numbered and MUST NOT be mixed under any circumstances!" No
> clarifying statement as to whether this is a static or dynamic balance. I
> suspect it is a static balance, but I don't really know. If this is not
> sufficient, again I ask, how does one ordinary LSA pilot dynamically
> balance
> such an assembly??
>
> Hugh McKay
> Allegro 2000
> Rotax 912UL
> N661WW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> Lee
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:56 AM
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> If you have never balanced your prop it should be done. It should be
> statically balanced first. This means off the plane with the hub and all.
> Then you should make sure it is tracking properly. This means each blade
> is
> turning in the same plane while rotating. Last, but the most important
> every
> prop on a plane should be dynamically balanced. This means using an
> instrument to check the vibration against its weight and balance while it
> is
> running at its cruise rpm. You should also check the blades to make sure
> they are the exact same pitch with a prop protractor.
> When I got my Flight Design CT I put a Warp drive on it. When it was
> dynamically balanced it was .33" out. That's a lot. Weight was added to
> one
> side and now it's only .01 out. Huge difference. The .33" out of balance
> was
> not felt in the stick. If you can feel a prop out of balance through the
> stick then it is way out. This is hard on many different parts of your
> engine and even the mounts. If you have never statically and dynamically
> balanced your prop that would be a priority if it were me. The longer a
> system runs out of balance to bigger the toll later.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155192#155192
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Hugh,
The Woodcomp props are statically balanced at the factory, as you suspected. Unfortunately,
over time they get nicks etc. which will affect the static balance
a bit. Dynamically balancing a prop/engine requires expensive equipment and
competent technician. The prop/engine combination balance check is done while
running. Here is a decent FAQ on the subject.
http://www.dssmicro.com/faqs/fqprpbl.htm
As you might expect, DSSMICRO sells this equipment for doing prop balancing.
I've not found any one in our area that does dynamic prop balancing and the equipment
is too expensive unless you are going into the prop balancing business.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Thom:
What you have stated is what I suspected. I don't know how many LSAs have
had their props dynamically balanced, but I suspect little to none, and the
reason being the complexity and cost of doing so. I would imagine that good
careful assembly of the WoodComp prop (or any other prop) and hub together,
with careful setting of the pitch on each blade and good care of the blades
(barring something nicking or damaging a blade) would be sufficient for the
Sport Pilot. Unless there is some damage to the blades or a real indication
of a prop vibration problem, I would expect many hours of good flying. I
would imagine though that if one would get damage to one of the WoodComp
blades, you would need to replace all three as well as the hub because they
are factory balanced as a unit.
No, I'm not going into the prop balancing business!
Hugh
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom
Riddle
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
Hugh,
The Woodcomp props are statically balanced at the factory, as you suspected.
Unfortunately, over time they get nicks etc. which will affect the static
balance a bit. Dynamically balancing a prop/engine requires expensive
equipment and competent technician. The prop/engine combination balance
check is done while running. Here is a decent FAQ on the subject.
http://www.dssmicro.com/faqs/fqprpbl.htm
As you might expect, DSSMICRO sells this equipment for doing prop balancing.
I've not found any one in our area that does dynamic prop balancing and the
equipment is too expensive unless you are going into the prop balancing
business.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if
I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common
sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Hugh,
I've corresponded with the Woodcomp folks and they said they can replace a single
blade given the serial number of the blade you want to replace because they
keep records of exact weight of each blade they manufacture, as balanced. It
will be the same as the original in static balance. The serial number is the same
for each of the blades on a given prop plus a blade number, which is also
required for single blade replacement.
Happy New Year!
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Hi Hugh,
Your Woodcomp was statically balanced at the factory. Aircraft Spruce and a few
other people sell a very simple static balance device that utilizes a bubble
balancer on a string. This set up works well enough for those who's props weren't
done or wants to check theirs once a year.
Even though your prop is statically balanced, everything forward of the mounting
plate on the gearbox i.e. nuts, bolts, washers, spinners and the such are not
and none of these are in balance when turning 5000 rpm. All props should be
balanced on the plane spinning at cruise rpm. You go out to the pad and chalk
the wheels and tie it down. The balancer then can measure vibration that you can
not feel. There has to be someone in your area that does this for other aircraft.
Just start asking around with the service shops and I'm sure someone knows
of a person who can do a dynamic balance.
Get on the web and type in prop balancing + your town.
The instrument that does this does cost $2K and up, but people who service aircraft
should know of someone who has this instrument. Dynamic prop balancing is
a regular aircraft maint. function. When I started to look I didn't know of anyone
in my area. After a little search I found 4 people who did this. Prices
were from $175-$250. Takes about an hour.
Think of a dynamic prop balance that is not done like this.
If someone smokes cigarettes or is a diabetic it does not take their life right
now, but over a long time period it causes many other problems and an early
death. A static balance only for your engine and gearbox is not enough. My Warp
Drive was static balanced at the factory, but way off when mounted on the plane
with hardware and running.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155353#155353
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
<<It will be the same as the original in static balance>>
In theory. The practice is that the blades that have been in service will
have settled-in at the roots and, if wood or wood cored, have probably
changed weight or shape too.
I tried this balance numbers-game replacing one blade on a 3-blade GSC; the
imbalance present made is unserviceable before rebalancing.
Similarly, I have just reassembled an almost new Arplast 3-blade composite
which required the equivalent of 2 grammes at one of the tips to make it
statically balance; this is actually a lot of imbalance and would be very
apparent on a static balancer at the factory.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
> <riddletr@gmail.com>
>
> Hugh,
>
> I've corresponded with the Woodcomp folks and they said they can replace a
> single blade given the serial number of the blade you want to replace
> because they keep records of exact weight of each blade they manufacture,
> as balanced. It will be the same as the original in static balance. The
> serial number is the same for each of the blades on a given prop plus a
> blade number, which is also required for single blade replacement.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
> N197BG FS1/447
> --------------------
> Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even
> if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own
> common sense.
> - Buddha
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155322#155322
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Here is a good website link that discusses dynamic prop balancing with photos of
the equipment etc.
http://www.dvatp.com/aviation/maintenance/dynamic_balancing
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Roger/Thom:
Thanks for all of your input on the matter of vibration and balancing of
props. I will inquire as to who may do this type of balancing in my area.
By the way, I noticed an additional "blob" of fiberglass that was definitely
added and sanded on the inside of my Allegro 2000 fiberglass spinner. I
assumed this was intentionally done to balance the spinner.
Roger/Thom, if one would weigh each of the attaching (6) bolts, nuts, and
washers, and assuming each item was within an ounce or less of each other,
and these items rotating concentrically on a bolt circle of 75 mm (912UL
gearbox mounting plate) at say 5000rpm, do you think 6 ounces of eccentric
mass at a radius of 37.5mm rotating at this speed could be actually
physically counterbalanced?
Hugh
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
Hi Hugh,
Your Woodcomp was statically balanced at the factory. Aircraft Spruce and a
few other people sell a very simple static balance device that utilizes a
bubble balancer on a string. This set up works well enough for those who's
props weren't done or wants to check theirs once a year.
Even though your prop is statically balanced, everything forward of the
mounting plate on the gearbox i.e. nuts, bolts, washers, spinners and the
such are not and none of these are in balance when turning 5000 rpm. All
props should be balanced on the plane spinning at cruise rpm. You go out to
the pad and chalk the wheels and tie it down. The balancer then can measure
vibration that you can not feel. There has to be someone in your area that
does this for other aircraft. Just start asking around with the service
shops and I'm sure someone knows of a person who can do a dynamic balance.
Get on the web and type in prop balancing + your town.
The instrument that does this does cost $2K and up, but people who service
aircraft should know of someone who has this instrument. Dynamic prop
balancing is a regular aircraft maint. function. When I started to look I
didn't know of anyone in my area. After a little search I found 4 people who
did this. Prices were from $175-$250. Takes about an hour.
Think of a dynamic prop balance that is not done like this.
If someone smokes cigarettes or is a diabetic it does not take their life
right now, but over a long time period it causes many other problems and an
early death. A static balance only for your engine and gearbox is not
enough. My Warp Drive was static balanced at the factory, but way off when
mounted on the plane with hardware and running.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155353#155353
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Howdy folks,
With regard to the expense of dynamic prop balancing equipment. My company, Smart
Avionics, used to sell a balancer (the PB-1) that was aimed at the homebuilt
aircraft market. It was cheaper and had more functionality than the low range
DSS product. Quite a few PB-1 units were sold all around the world and I have
had lots of good feedback and success stories from the people who used them.
I don't make that balancer anymore but I am working on a new balancer that I expect to be available in the first quarter of 2008. Price is not yet fixed but it will provide good value for money. If you are interested, please take a look at www.smartavionics.com in a couple of months.
Happy New Year,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
Hi Mark
I am one of the guys waiting for your PB-2, not only for my homebuilt but
also for my microlight
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Burton
> Sent: tera-feira, 1 de Janeiro de 2008 17:22
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
>
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> With regard to the expense of dynamic prop balancing equipment. My
company,
> Smart Avionics, used to sell a balancer (the PB-1) that was aimed at the
homebuilt
> aircraft market. It was cheaper and had more functionality than the low
range DSS
> product. Quite a few PB-1 units were sold all around the world and I have
had lots
> of good feedback and success stories from the people who used them.
>
> I don't make that balancer anymore but I am working on a new balancer that
I
> expect to be available in the first quarter of 2008. Price is not yet
fixed but it will
> provide good value for money. If you are interested, please take a look at
> www.smartavionics.com in a couple of months.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Mark
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Vibration |
I have had my prop (airmaster on a 914) dynamically ballanced after I had
balanced my carbs out with my mercury manometers (the only way to go, nuts
to the white suited hazmat people) no moving parts and no calibration
concerns.. After that the engine ran like a turbine from 1800 rpm up.
There seems to be a lot of frettng about doing this. The process is is
very easy and straight forward. When I had my prop done I was taken aback.
The apparatus used was the same type used by the technicians in the plant I
work in to balance large motors. Just substute "rotating machinery" for
"propeller" and there are innumerable people who know how to do this.
Bolt an accelerometer and a photo eye to the engine. Put a reflective dot
on the back of one of the prop blades and run the engine up to the
specified RPM. The machine does the rest telling you where to put the
weights and how much. Now if your spinner back plate is already
pre-drilled at 30 degree intervals and you have a 9 series engine (bolt
holes on the gear box are in just the right place for the photoeye and
accelerometer) the job is a piece of cake. The biggest hassle and most
time consuming chore is taking the spinner on and off to add another
washer/weight to the spinnner backplate otherwise the job would have taken
about 15 minutes after the prep work is done. A gross, medium, and fine
balance is done adding smaller amounts of mass at different locations
until the desired response is obtained. The people at Phoenix Composits
did mine and I don't believe it was much away from $100.
Steve Hagar
Mesa AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com
> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/1/2008 9:30:11 AM
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Engine Vibration
>
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> Your Woodcomp was statically balanced at the factory. Aircraft Spruce and
a few other people sell a very simple static balance device that utilizes a
bubble balancer on a string. This set up works well enough for those who's
props weren't done or wants to check theirs once a year.
> Even though your prop is statically balanced, everything forward of the
mounting plate on the gearbox i.e. nuts, bolts, washers, spinners and the
such are not and none of these are in balance when turning 5000 rpm. All
props should be balanced on the plane spinning at cruise rpm. You go out to
the pad and chalk the wheels and tie it down. The balancer then can measure
vibration that you can not feel. There has to be someone in your area that
does this for other aircraft. Just start asking around with the service
shops and I'm sure someone knows of a person who can do a dynamic balance.
> Get on the web and type in prop balancing + your town.
> The instrument that does this does cost $2K and up, but people who
service aircraft should know of someone who has this instrument. Dynamic
prop balancing is a regular aircraft maint. function. When I started to
look I didn't know of anyone in my area. After a little search I found 4
people who did this. Prices were from $175-$250. Takes about an hour.
>
> Think of a dynamic prop balance that is not done like this.
> If someone smokes cigarettes or is a diabetic it does not take their
life right now, but over a long time period it causes many other problems
and an early death. A static balance only for your engine and gearbox is
not enough. My Warp Drive was static balanced at the factory, but way off
when mounted on the plane with hardware and running.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155353#155353
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 94 and the Dynon EMS-D10 |
Cheers for 2008-01-01
I am attempting to install the above on the above, and having
difficulty discovering the skills needed. If you are doing the same - and I
presume are miles ahead of me, would you please take a minute to set me
right? (Maybe two).
I have in my shaking hand a black semi-rectangular device which the
instructions claim is a manifold air pressure sensor. It is on page 3-5,
figure 1. If this is a European sensor it will probably mount with metric
hardware, but at the moment the mounting holes are a tad under 1/4" or say
6mm. BUT there is no room for a bolthead or matching nut, nor are there any
instructions to accomplish same. Nor is there any description of the
mounting method (bolts, straps, cradle....?)
An attempt at education followed the hint that this umarked device
was 'from'
Weatherpack.com. This URL devoted itself entirely to connectors, and the
sensor remained a mystery unit. Application to Dynon extensive if confusing
website gave no hint. Nor is there any way to email them for answers. I hate
to telephone but I guess the spoken word is king.
Until I can unravel the strange nomenclature and in-house wording, I
would suggest serious research before taking these steps.
Happy landings
Ferg
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file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
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2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
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Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RotaxEngines-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RotaxEngines-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RotaxEngines-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RotaxEngines-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RotaxEngines-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RotaxEngines-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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