RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive

Tue 04/08/08


Total Messages Posted: 13



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:07 AM - Prop crush plate (Sam Brunson)
     2. 06:13 AM - wiring on 447 (Sam Brunson)
     3. 11:14 AM - 447 wiring (william sullivan)
     4. 12:08 PM - Re: 447 wiring (samscycles@juno.com)
     5. 12:38 PM - 447 wiring (william sullivan)
     6. 12:47 PM - 447 Wiring (william sullivan)
     7. 12:58 PM - Re: 447 Wiring (samscycles@juno.com)
     8. 04:31 PM - 914 wiring install (Tracy)
     9. 05:10 PM - EVANS coolant (Thom Riddle)
    10. 05:19 PM - Re: EVANS coolant (Ivan)
    11. 05:28 PM - Re: EVANS coolant (Thom Riddle)
    12. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: EVANS coolant (Ivan)
    13. 10:42 PM - Re: EVANS coolant (Roger Lee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:07:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Prop crush plate
    From: "Sam Brunson" <samscycles@juno.com>
    I need a crush plate that goes in front of wooden prop on a 447. If you have one please contact me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175455#175455


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    Time: 06:13:48 AM PST US
    Subject: wiring on 447
    From: "Sam Brunson" <samscycles@juno.com>
    I need some help with wiring. My 447 was bought used and wire coming out of engine are not marked. I need help in wiring. There are three wire looms coming out of engine. #1 has a yellow wire and a yellow with black line on it. #2 has a green wire and a green with a black line. #3 has two black wires and a brown. It is a pull start with no battery. I need to know how to hook up ignition, and how to hook in tach, and also I think it puts out some voltage when running that I may want to use. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175456#175456


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    Time: 11:14:58 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: 447 wiring
    Sam- Do you have the points ignition, or the Ducati? I have a 447 on an old Kolb Firestar, with the Ducati ignition. There is a small black box on the side of the engine. It says "Ducati" on it, and has 2 spark plug wires coming out. The points ignition has 2 coils, with spark plug wires. I also have a pull start. If i can help, I will try to trace them for you. it might be difficult, but even if I can get a couple for you it might help. Bill Sullivan Kolb Firestar KX, 447 Windsor Locks, Ct.


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    Time: 12:08:33 PM PST US
    From: "samscycles@juno.com" <samscycles@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: 447 wiring
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    Time: 12:38:02 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: 447 wiring
    Sam- go to Kodiak at-- http://www.kodiacbs.com/tintro.htm You can download the necessary manuals. Bill Sullivan Kolb Firestar KX 447 Windsor Locks, Ct.


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    Time: 12:47:13 PM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: 447 Wiring
    Sam- Get a catalog from Lockwood Aviation. There are some very clear parts breakdowns in it, But I am not good enough to talk you into the diagrams. Good luck. Bill Sullivan Kolb Firestar KX 447 Windsor Locks, Ct.


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    Time: 12:58:14 PM PST US
    From: "samscycles@juno.com" <samscycles@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: 447 Wiring
    Thanks alot. Your help has been greatly appreciated. I own two product ion planes, but this is my first time with these small homebuilts. It i s more like a model to me. _____________________________________________________________ Click to recieve credit card help and get out of debt fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2DU8D7yD335sqFGyoSw2 ANsY2F4yPTytSQWThY4r0MP9zv/


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    Time: 04:31:36 PM PST US
    From: Tracy <pbuttles@charter.net>
    Subject: 914 wiring install
    hello im puting a 914 in a 701,the books says not to put the control box and waste gate servo in the engine compartment. can I unhook the cotroler box and install under panel? has anyone put them under cowl? any other helpful hints for that install??


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    Time: 05:10:30 PM PST US
    Subject: EVANS coolant
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    My partner and I are doing an annual inspection on a Diamond Katana with Rotax 912F3 engine. The maintenance manual states that EVANS or equivalent waterless coolant must be used. By the smell and color (orange) of the coolant in the system at the moment and the lack of required sticker/label that states only EVANS to be used, I suspect it is regular antifreeze/water mix. My question: How can I tell if the current contents in the system is EVANS? The previous coolant system flushing logbook entry made no statement regarding the type of coolant which replenished the system. If it is EVANS then nothing needs to be done. If it is regular antifreeze we'll have to flush and refill with EVANS and install sticker/label reflecting this fact. Any help determining if this is EVANS will be appreciated. -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175590#175590


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    Time: 05:19:54 PM PST US
    From: "Ivan" <imap8ntr@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: EVANS coolant
    When I put the recommended "waterless coolant" in my Rotax, experimental, I was obligated to make that notation in the engine log book. The kind of coolant should be in your log when the owner changed it according to the SB that was issued by Rotax. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: EVANS coolant > <riddletr@gmail.com> > > My partner and I are doing an annual inspection on a Diamond Katana with > Rotax 912F3 engine. The maintenance manual states that EVANS or equivalent > waterless coolant must be used. By the smell and color (orange) of the > coolant in the system at the moment and the lack of required sticker/label > that states only EVANS to be used, I suspect it is regular > antifreeze/water mix. > > My question: > How can I tell if the current contents in the system is EVANS? The > previous coolant system flushing logbook entry made no statement regarding > the type of coolant which replenished the system. > > If it is EVANS then nothing needs to be done. If it is regular antifreeze > we'll have to flush and refill with EVANS and install sticker/label > reflecting this fact. > > Any help determining if this is EVANS will be appreciated. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL > N197BG FS1/447 > -------------------- > Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even > if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own > common sense. > - Buddha > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175590#175590 > > >


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    Time: 05:28:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: EVANS coolant
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Ivan, Yes, it is SUPPOSED to be, but it isn't mentioned in the logbook entry about the coolant system flushing or anywhere else in the nine year history of this engine. That is one of the reasons I suspect it is NOT EVANS. My question is how to determine by looking, smelling, testing (not tasting) the contents to determine if it is indeed EVANS. -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175602#175602


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    Time: 06:12:51 PM PST US
    From: "Ivan" <imap8ntr@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: EVANS coolant
    Thom I figured the log wasnt filled out or you would have had your answer. Just said so for sense of completeness. I remember when I switched over to the waterless stuff, I could not tell any difference except that the factory engine came with blue coolant and the waterless was orange. Maybe email the coolant manufacturer and ask them. I have always found manufacturers to be helpful. Maybe they can give you a trick like sp. gr. or something. Good luck Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: EVANS coolant > <riddletr@gmail.com> > > Ivan, > > Yes, it is SUPPOSED to be, but it isn't mentioned in the logbook entry > about the coolant system flushing or anywhere else in the nine year > history of this engine. That is one of the reasons I suspect it is NOT > EVANS. My question is how to determine by looking, smelling, testing (not > tasting) the contents to determine if it is indeed EVANS. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL > N197BG FS1/447 > -------------------- > Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even > if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own > common sense. > - Buddha > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175602#175602 > > >


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    Time: 10:42:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: EVANS coolant
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Hi Guys, The orange coolant is a premix 50/50 and not Evans. The blue factory coolant used by many dealers is Dex-Cool. Do not mix other coolants with Dex-Cool, it doesn't play well with some other coolants. Some might mix, but others have reactions. Dex-cool is a 60/40 mix as well. This would be better diluted a little to a 50/50. Use only distilled water when putting water into your system. I have used Evans for years and I put it in my Flight Design CT. I like Evans, but in my CT it wasn't the right choice. This increased my CHT temps by 30f-40f. Evans will state this in the literature. This caused me to over heat in the warmer months. Water will absorb and transfer heat at a better rate. Your 50/50 coolant is good for temps up to a max of 275F and Evans is good up to a max of 375F. The reason for Evans is that some Rotax installations do overheat and boil over or run too high a temp during normal operations. If the temps rise too high then a couple of spots in the engine may vaporize the coolant and then that area would over heat and cause damage. You do not have to use Evans. You have the option as per the SB to install a coolant gage and use 248F for a new max CHT temp. This may be a better option in some cases. I live in the desert and in the summer the Evans caused overheating at times. I was forced to go back to 50/50 to keep my CHT temps down. I do not have that over heat issue any longer during the warm months. If you switch to Evans you will need to buy a gal of the prep and flush your system. One gal. of Evans coolant will be enough. Cost for Evans coolant is about $25 a gal. If you have a Dynon D120 it is capable of reading a coolant sensor. Hope this help some, -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175662#175662




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