---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/01/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Catz631@aol.com) 2. 09:47 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Kyle) 3. 11:43 AM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Roger Lee) 4. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 UL (Keith C.) 5. 12:17 PM - Re: 582 compression (Roger Lee) 6. 02:30 PM - Re: Rotax 912 UL (Roger Lee) 7. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 UL (Jack Kuehn) 8. 11:03 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 9. 11:05 PM - Official RotaxEngines-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:54 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax 912 UL Roger, Thanks for the great tip! I was hoping you would reply. I will get that tester. Kyle, I had the same problem when I reduced my throttle thru about 3-3500 rpm during descent or on approach. The engine would stumble.The problem turned out to be that the throttle cables were sticking a small amount at one spot. One carb would be slightly out of sync until it caught up with the other. Changing the cables did the trick (perhaps lube on yours?) My cables were old and in bad shape. I wish I could take credit for the solution but I called Lockwood and the tech had the answer. Dick Maddux Kitfox 4-1200 Rotax 912UL Pensacola,Fl **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:22 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL From: "Kyle" Dick, Thanks for the tip. I have a very small kink in one of my throttle cables. This could very well cause the carbs to get out of synch. when I throttle down. Actually I think the wrong cables have been installed. They are the 1/16th. inch multi stranded cables. Very flexible. I think they need to be the 1/16th. inch 7 strand cables which would stiffen them up a lot and result in a more positive throttle input. If you find a outlet for the AC probe let me know. The $12.00 investment will pay back big dividends in time savings. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196018#196018 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:57 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL From: "Roger Lee" Hi Guys, You should be able to get the AC tester at any electronic shop and maybe a Lowe's or Home Depot. Depending on the type of throttle setup you have you should normally use .064 or 1.5mm 1x19 cable. The 7 strand is stiffer than the more flexible 19 strand. The 1x19 strand will conform around pulleys and angles much better. If you are using a 912 engine you should have the carb springs set to go wide open in case of a cable or throttle failure. You should also be using the plastic lined throttle cable housing. This helps the cable from hanging up on the cable housing and keeps the rust problem the the cable housing can get away from your actual throttle cable. It makes for a smoother throttle movement. You may be hanging up on the throttle smoothness from a cable that is too big and/or stiff. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196044#196044 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:32 PM PST US From: "Keith C." Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL Roger, What is your recommended supplier for the throttle cable. I am considering replacing mine. Keith C. Mod IV 912 IVO Mather (MHR) CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lee" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL > > Hi Guys, > > You should be able to get the AC tester at any electronic shop and maybe a > Lowe's or Home Depot. > > Depending on the type of throttle setup you have you should normally use > .064 or 1.5mm 1x19 cable. The 7 strand is stiffer than the more flexible > 19 strand. The 1x19 strand will conform around pulleys and angles much > better. If you are using a 912 engine you should have the carb springs set > to go wide open in case of a cable or throttle failure. You should also be > using the plastic lined throttle cable housing. This helps the cable from > hanging up on the cable housing and keeps the rust problem the the cable > housing can get away from your actual throttle cable. It makes for a > smoother throttle movement. You may be hanging up on the throttle > smoothness from a cable that is too big and/or stiff. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Service Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196044#196044 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:08 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 582 compression From: "Roger Lee" Hi Guys, Everybody has certainly good advice. There are two test. One is the static test, where you turn the engine over and just read its top pressure. I am not sure what the 582 static pressure is supposed to be. The static pressures on the 912 typically run between 140-175psi depending on which engine you have. The other test is the differential test. You need a differential tester with a master orifice size of .040. You indeed do find the top dead center of each piston you test. You can put your finger over the hole and you should at some point during the prop rotation feel the pressure coming out. When it starts to suck on your finger then you are a little too far. TDC is where the pressure and the sucking stop. You can use a piece of plastic to insert in the spark plug hole to check TDC also. For the 912uls your compressor side of the gage should be 87 psi and if you are right at TDC the guy holding the prop won't have much work to do, but heaven forbid you are too far either way. The pressure will want to rip the prop out of his hands. The lowest number you want to see on this test is 65psi. You don't want a 25% drop. Then some maintenance needs to be done. If you are a little too far either way on TDC you may hear some air out of the exhaust or the carbs. If you are right on TDC you should be able to take the oil cap off and slightly hear some air escaping. This is normal. Some air, I didn't say all the air. I just did two annuals and pressure test. One 912uls had 100 hrs. the other had 200 hrs. The readings were 86/84psi. They had a leak down of only 2 psi. This is very good. The 582 has steel cylinder inserts and aluminum pistons. These metals heat up at different rates. Run a 582 from a cold start in the morning and don't warm it up you could end up with a cold seizer. This engine needs to be warmed up before running it hard. The 912 is totally different. Before you do either test you have to have an engine at or about it's operating temps for good accurate readings. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196049#196049 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:32 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL From: "Roger Lee" Hi Keith, The 1x19 cable is pretty common. You can get it from California Power Systems or Aircraft Spruce. This cable and plastic lined cable housing are good combinations for a throttle. Light flexible cable makes a nice smooth throttle setup. You need to make sure your carbs are setup with the carb spring to pull the throttle wide open. There are a few planes that need stiff cable to push the throttle open and pull it closed then the stiffer heavier cable would be better in that circumstance. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196070#196070 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:07 PM PST US From: "Jack Kuehn" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL One thing to add on the throttle cable story: Once a year I pull the cable out of the housing and spray it with silicone lubricant, and clean it with a clean cloth. This stuff dries non-sticky and does not hold dirt. It keeps everything nice and slick! It is compatible with plastics and with the cable itself. I don't see any downside to this practice, but I would be glad to hear if someone sees a problem with it! As an aside, I spray my CV joint boots on my car with this stuff when I change oil, and the boots are still good 8 years later. Jack On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Roger Lee wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > The 1x19 cable is pretty common. 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