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1. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard (Noel Loveys)
2. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard (Hugh)
3. 01:58 PM - Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard (Roger Lee)
4. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard (Joe Ronco)
5. 09:32 PM - Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard (lucien)
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be heard
I take it the best thing to do is to pressure oil companies to produce and
deliver to FBOs a 91 octane unleaded standardized non booze fuel.
I'm in, for all the reasons Chevron stated and a few more as well.
Just send me an E-mail address or even an online petition to both our
governments to have such a fuel available.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:35 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: RE: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be
heard
I'm confused, are you agreeing with Chevron or want Auto fuel made available
to all of the aviation community? Do you agree with the implication that
any 91 octane unleaded fuel (automotive based) Chevron supplies to an
airfield is contaminated, cross blended, or have an ethanol content and
octane rating that they cannot document? Are you against refueling an
aircraft with gas purchased at the corner station for the reasons stated by
Chevron, or believe it would be different in the tank at the airport?
Myself, I always try to run 91 unleaded auto gas in my Rotax 912 ULS because
it's better for the engine. I wish EVERY airport carried 91 auto fuel. I
have personally seen the amount of lead sludge that accumulates in both
Lycoming and Rotax engines running 100LL. I change oil at 20 hrs and
replace plugs after extended periods of using the 100LL. On my trip through
the Dakotas, Montana and Wyoming all I could get at an airport was 100LL. I
currently use stated 10% ethanol blended fuel because that's what is
available and it runs just fine. I'd like it better without the ethanol,
but only because I think the ethanol blending is a bunch of baloney! Roger,
I'll be headed your way this fall. Is the Auto fuel available in Arizona?
Dave
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard
If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is
going.
This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the
other at some point.
If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's
time to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are
good because someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change
and made it better for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and
just go along then we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a
minute and email these two people and any other fuel administrator in other
companies. I will post on as many aviation websites as possible and I would
you all to pick a side and stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we
might effect change. I for one don't want to roll over. You are about to
read a bulletin about the use of Chevron ground fuel verses aviation fuel.
Then I have a response.
Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and
be heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation
wide voice.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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heard
OK Roger, Please explain this message in more detail. Sounds too good to be
true. Something is missing, but I don't know what it is! What is Swift
Fuels??
Hugh McKay
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be
heard
Swift Fuels Home:
Meet Our Team
Test Videos
Swift Renewable Fuels
Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels.
In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable
fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead
(100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to
tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There
currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution.
Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel,
we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is
superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over
the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM
specifications.
The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are:
Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications)
15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates)
20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel
15% more volumetric energy than 100LL
No need for stabilizers or additives
More Information
Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ
Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard |
Hi Hugh,
Unfortunately you know as much as I do by reading the website. I have heard of
them, but that's all. 100LL is supposed to go away in 2010 because of the lead
moratorium from the EPA. I did hear or read that this Swift company were only
going to make 2K gal. a day to start. I hope more Mfg's pick up the torch or
the fuel companies have a replacement that they aren't really telling anyone about.
I hate to say it, but it's a wait and see.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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heard
Check out their web site at http://www.swiftenterprises.com/
They are working with FAA, ASTM and engine manufactures (Lycoming in
particular) on getting approval for a non-alcohol renewable fuel to replace
100LL without any engine modifications. They hope to have an ASTM Spec
approved this year.
They are initially planning on producing Swiftfuel at a modified ethanol
plant that has been shut down and are talking to 6 major oil companies about
licensing agreements to produce the fuel as they don't want to be in the
production business. From the presentation they made at Oshkosh this sounds
very promising.
Joe Ronco
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hugh
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time
to be heard
OK Roger, Please explain this message in more detail. Sounds too good to be
true. Something is missing, but I don't know what it is! What is Swift
Fuels??
Hugh McKay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be
heard
Swift Fuels Home:
Meet Our Team
Test Videos
Swift Renewable Fuels
Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels.
In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable
fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead
(100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to
tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There
currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution.
Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel,
we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is
superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over
the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM
specifications.
The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are:
Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications)
15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates)
20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel
15% more volumetric energy than 100LL
No need for stabilizers or additives
More Information
Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ
Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197462#197462
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engines-List: 91 octane and time to be heard |
Roger Lee wrote:
> Hi Lucien,
>
> They are resisting all of it. No 91 octane for aircraft, no ethanol free fuel
for aircraft, no 91 octane at an airport, ect...
> We as the aviation community need 91 octane ethanol free fuel available. Ground
based fuel has been a main stay in aviation since before we were born.
Ah, ok. Well then I'll surely send off a couple of nasty-grams to those two email
addresses you sent earlier.....
Locally we've already had our first possibly E10 induced engine-out. It was uneventful,
a triker whose 582 quit and he landed safely in a field engine-off.
Exact cause isn't known, but it appears that a tank full of E10 worked too well
as a fuel system cleaner in this case, and some freed-up gunk made its way to
the filter as well as the carburettors. Going by the description here but it
sounds like this is a possible explanation for the cause.
So yes we need clean high-octane unleaded for sure.
Tho not with E10, I've been flying through the air on mostly autogas for over a
decade now not to mention as you did all those aviators before us for many years...
Definitely sounds like CYA stuff to me...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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