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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (Tommy Walker)
2. 07:39 AM - Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (rampil)
3. 07:48 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (rampil)
4. 07:52 AM - ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (rampil)
5. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (paul wilson)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Robert Borger)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (Bob Brennan)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Craig Payne)
9. 08:46 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Bob Brennan)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Joe Ronco)
11. 11:44 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (rampil)
12. 12:04 PM - Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (rampil)
13. 01:59 PM - Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/19/08 (Bob Haas)
14. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (paul wilson)
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
Thanks George.
I have that document but didn't see any "list."
Maybe I overlooked it.
Tommy
Tommy--
There is a complete listing of what should be addressed in the Rotax
"Hea
vy Maintence Manual"
I use as a guide for all of my ongoing and annual maintance.
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's |
Dale,
I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH.
It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all
states in the US.
This is why corn prices have skyrocketed and food is more expensive.
To my knowledge the standard concentration is 10%, except of course for
E85 which is 85%. Again no point in testing which was only useful years
ago, before the Gas companies all switched from other oxidant agents
to EtOH. Someone should let EAA and AOPA know that their kits are
pointless now. The EAA STC for auto gas is also useless now because
it specifically excludes EtOH-gas.
E10 is demonstrably safe in Rotax engines as long as you keep in mind
its limitations. No, the company will not write it down.
E10 will give you a fraction less horsepower (less than 5% drop)
E10 has a lower vapor pressure (but I don't know by how much) so
avoid very high density altitude operation. For the sake of safety,
I'll guess above FL150. If someone has better informed data, please
tell me.
E10 will gum up and eventually dissolve old rubber and cork gaskets
and hoses such as in old Lycoming and Continentals. I have none in my
Europa. If you built your AC then you know what you put in it. Otherwise
get your airframe manufacturer to spill the beans for you re precisely
which components are EtOH sensitive and what non-sensitive components
can be used for replacement.
E10 is not going away anytime soon, we might as well adapt safely.
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
Actually look on Page 42 (05-20-00) of 106 of the 2006
LINE Maint Manual, not the heavy manual
You will find the explicit lists and the how to's
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter
and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply
unresponsive.
This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on
time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger.
Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com?
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's |
This statement is just false.
The EPA specifies by area where mandated E10 is required. Get your
gas from one the areas not in the pollution zone. I know of no ruling
or law that is applicable universally. Even if there is a universal
law the distributor has unleaded with no Alky since the stuff is
always added as the truck is loaded at the bulk plant. Make friends
with the distributor.
Paul
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At 08:38 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote:
>
>Dale,
>I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH.
>It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all
>states in the US.
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| Subject: | Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
Rotaxers:
The site was down for a couple days. It is now back up. I was just
able to access it.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:52, rampil wrote:
> >
>
> Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter
> and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply
> unresponsive.
>
> This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on
> time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger.
>
> Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com?
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's |
Ira - I respectfully and strongly disagree with your statements about
ethanol testing being "pointless" and "useless"; in fact I believe there has
never been a better time for most people to be aware of what is in the
gasoline that powers the machines we entrust our lives to.
I was unaware of the dangers until reading about it on this list and doing
some research myself. My 1989 KF2's fuel system was seriously damaged by
just one tankfull of 6% ethanol gasoline, and the 582's performance was
noticeably down. My test kit has allowed me to find and verify ethanol-free
premium and use that until I replace all of the rubber elements in my fuel
system.
In a sport/industry where safety is critical to survival it would be
foolhardy to ignore changes that effect the plane's ability to fly safely. I
agree that ethanol may be inevitable, but safety and informed knowledge
about what goes in our fuel tanks cannot be understated.
If I misread your first paragraphs about testing for ethanol being
pointless, I apologise. Your last statement "E10 is not going away anytime
soon, we might as well adapt safely." I couldn't agree with more - but
"adapt" to me means "be aware of your fuel system's ability to handle
ethanol, test for ethanol if there is *any* doubt, and do whatever is
necessary to adapt the system to handle ethanol in future".
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: 20 August 2008 10:39 am
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's
Dale,
I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH.
It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all
states in the US.
This is why corn prices have skyrocketed and food is more expensive.
To my knowledge the standard concentration is 10%, except of course for
E85 which is 85%. Again no point in testing which was only useful years
ago, before the Gas companies all switched from other oxidant agents
to EtOH. Someone should let EAA and AOPA know that their kits are
pointless now. The EAA STC for auto gas is also useless now because
it specifically excludes EtOH-gas.
E10 is demonstrably safe in Rotax engines as long as you keep in mind
its limitations. No, the company will not write it down.
E10 will give you a fraction less horsepower (less than 5% drop)
E10 has a lower vapor pressure (but I don't know by how much) so
avoid very high density altitude operation. For the sake of safety,
I'll guess above FL150. If someone has better informed data, please
tell me.
E10 will gum up and eventually dissolve old rubber and cork gaskets
and hoses such as in old Lycoming and Continentals. I have none in my
Europa. If you built your AC then you know what you put in it. Otherwise
get your airframe manufacturer to spill the beans for you re precisely
which components are EtOH sensitive and what non-sensitive components
can be used for replacement.
E10 is not going away anytime soon, we might as well adapt safely.
--------
Ira N224XS
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199630#199630
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| Subject: | ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
It is www.rotax-owner.com (singular, not plural) and it is still there.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye
Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter
and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply
unresponsive.
This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on
time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger.
Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com?
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
Bob - read the page (at http://www.rotax-owners.com/):
"Welcome to rotax-owners.com - For ads on Buying a home and Real estate"
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 20 August 2008 11:39 am
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye
Rotaxers:
The site was down for a couple days. It is now back up. I was just
able to access it.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:52, rampil wrote:
> >
>
> Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter
> and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply
> unresponsive.
>
> This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on
> time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger.
>
> Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com?
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632
>
>
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| Subject: | ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
If you try www.rotax-owner.com I believe this is what you are looking for.
No "s" on owner.
Joe R
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye
Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter
and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply
unresponsive.
This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on
time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger.
Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com?
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye |
Agreed, the site is up and functioning!!!
:-)
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's |
Paul,
Perhaps the map at: http://www.npra.org/issues/fuels/state_bb/us_fuels_map.pdf
is what you were referring to by the comment that E10 was not mandated.
However the map, from 2006, is obsolete since the "Renewable Fuels
Standard" which was part of the Energy Bill signed by President Bush in
2007. The new rules have ethanol contamination of gasoline expanding
year by year to meet certain targets which will shortly grow to
encompass essentially all of the country.
Just this month, the Governor of Texas petitioned the EPA for an
exemption for Texas and he was denied (Google the news for 8/82008)
There may be some small pockets of EtOH-free gas left, but in the main,
areas of the country now that have significant population, have E10, and
not just as a winter oxygenate.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | RE: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/19/08 |
If they were halfway smart they would not buy one in the first place. Like
All Americans no maintenance required.
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1. 04:46 AM - Annual Condition Inspection (Tommy Walker)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (george may)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 04:46:02 AM PST US
From: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Annual Condition Inspection
Rotaxers,
I'm getting ready to start the first annual inspection on my homebuilt
airplane with a Rotax 912ULS.
I wonder if anyone can point me to a listing of the items that should be
included for the engine? Things like:
1. Compression Check
2. Remove, Clean, Inspect/Replace Spark Plugs..
3. Etc.
Many thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 - 74 Hours
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Time: 04:57:21 AM PST US
From: george may <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Annual Condition Inspection
Tommy--
There is a complete listing of what should be addressed in the Rotax "Hea
vy Maintence Manual"
I use as a guide for all of my ongoing and annual maintance.
George May
601XL 912s
From: twalker@cableone.netTo: rotaxengines-list@matronics.comSubject: Rotax
Engines-List: Annual Condition InspectionDate: Tue=2C 19 Aug 2008 06:45:28
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Rotaxers=2C
I=92m getting ready to start the first annual inspection on my homebuilt ai
rplane with a Rotax 912ULS. I wonder if anyone can point me to a listing o
f the items that should be included for the engine? Things like:
1. Compression Check
2. Remove=2C Clean=2C Inspect/Replace Spark Plugs=85.
3. Etc.
Many thanks=2C
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701 - 74 Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's |
The Kitfox list has an ongoing thread on where to get E0 fuel. In
rural parts of the country is very common. Also in the same places
there is no epa inspection for bad stuff out of the exhaust. Some
stations even have signs saying they sell no alcohol fuels and they
do a brisk business. I think E10+ is a big city and corn belt thing.
Maybe its going to change but so far what I said applies to CA. AZ,
CO, NV, WY, and so on.
Paul
=====
At 01:04 PM 8/20/2008, you wrote:
>
>Paul,
>
>Perhaps the map at: http://www.npra.org/issues/fuels/state_bb/us_fuels_map.pdf
>
>is what you were referring to by the comment that E10 was not mandated.
>However the map, from 2006, is obsolete since the "Renewable Fuels
>Standard" which was part of the Energy Bill signed by President Bush in
>2007. The new rules have ethanol contamination of gasoline expanding
>year by year to meet certain targets which will shortly grow to
>encompass essentially all of the country.
>
>Just this month, the Governor of Texas petitioned the EPA for an
>exemption for Texas and he was denied (Google the news for 8/82008)
>
>There may be some small pockets of EtOH-free gas left, but in the main,
>areas of the country now that have significant population, have E10, and
>not just as a winter oxygenate.
>
>--------
>Ira N224XS
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199678#199678
>
>
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