---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/20/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:43 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (Tommy Walker) 2. 07:39 AM - Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (rampil) 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (rampil) 4. 07:52 AM - ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (rampil) 5. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (paul wilson) 6. 08:39 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Robert Borger) 7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (Bob Brennan) 8. 08:43 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Craig Payne) 9. 08:46 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Bob Brennan) 10. 09:32 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (Joe Ronco) 11. 11:44 AM - Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye (rampil) 12. 12:04 PM - Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (rampil) 13. 01:59 PM - Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/19/08 (Bob Haas) 14. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's (paul wilson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:09 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Annual Condition Inspection Thanks George. I have that document but didn't see any "list." Maybe I overlooked it. Tommy Tommy-- There is a complete listing of what should be addressed in the Rotax "Hea vy Maintence Manual" I use as a guide for all of my ongoing and annual maintance. George May 601XL 912s ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:34 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's From: "rampil" Dale, I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH. It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all states in the US. This is why corn prices have skyrocketed and food is more expensive. To my knowledge the standard concentration is 10%, except of course for E85 which is 85%. Again no point in testing which was only useful years ago, before the Gas companies all switched from other oxidant agents to EtOH. Someone should let EAA and AOPA know that their kits are pointless now. The EAA STC for auto gas is also useless now because it specifically excludes EtOH-gas. E10 is demonstrably safe in Rotax engines as long as you keep in mind its limitations. No, the company will not write it down. E10 will give you a fraction less horsepower (less than 5% drop) E10 has a lower vapor pressure (but I don't know by how much) so avoid very high density altitude operation. For the sake of safety, I'll guess above FL150. If someone has better informed data, please tell me. E10 will gum up and eventually dissolve old rubber and cork gaskets and hoses such as in old Lycoming and Continentals. I have none in my Europa. If you built your AC then you know what you put in it. Otherwise get your airframe manufacturer to spill the beans for you re precisely which components are EtOH sensitive and what non-sensitive components can be used for replacement. E10 is not going away anytime soon, we might as well adapt safely. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199630#199630 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:27 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Annual Condition Inspection From: "rampil" Actually look on Page 42 (05-20-00) of 106 of the 2006 LINE Maint Manual, not the heavy manual You will find the explicit lists and the how to's -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199631#199631 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:11 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye From: "rampil" Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply unresponsive. This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger. Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:29 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's This statement is just false. The EPA specifies by area where mandated E10 is required. Get your gas from one the areas not in the pollution zone. I know of no ruling or law that is applicable universally. Even if there is a universal law the distributor has unleaded with no Alky since the stuff is always added as the truck is loaded at the bulk plant. Make friends with the distributor. Paul ================ At 08:38 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote: > >Dale, >I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH. >It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all >states in the US. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:58 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye Rotaxers: The site was down for a couple days. It is now back up. I was just able to access it. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:52, rampil wrote: > > > > Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter > and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply > unresponsive. > > This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on > time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger. > > Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com? > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:28 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's Ira - I respectfully and strongly disagree with your statements about ethanol testing being "pointless" and "useless"; in fact I believe there has never been a better time for most people to be aware of what is in the gasoline that powers the machines we entrust our lives to. I was unaware of the dangers until reading about it on this list and doing some research myself. My 1989 KF2's fuel system was seriously damaged by just one tankfull of 6% ethanol gasoline, and the 582's performance was noticeably down. My test kit has allowed me to find and verify ethanol-free premium and use that until I replace all of the rubber elements in my fuel system. In a sport/industry where safety is critical to survival it would be foolhardy to ignore changes that effect the plane's ability to fly safely. I agree that ethanol may be inevitable, but safety and informed knowledge about what goes in our fuel tanks cannot be understated. If I misread your first paragraphs about testing for ethanol being pointless, I apologise. Your last statement "E10 is not going away anytime soon, we might as well adapt safely." I couldn't agree with more - but "adapt" to me means "be aware of your fuel system's ability to handle ethanol, test for ethanol if there is *any* doubt, and do whatever is necessary to adapt the system to handle ethanol in future". Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: 20 August 2008 10:39 am Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's Dale, I don't think there is any point in testing for the presence of EtOH. It is now mandated to be in all consumer automotive gasoline in all states in the US. This is why corn prices have skyrocketed and food is more expensive. To my knowledge the standard concentration is 10%, except of course for E85 which is 85%. Again no point in testing which was only useful years ago, before the Gas companies all switched from other oxidant agents to EtOH. Someone should let EAA and AOPA know that their kits are pointless now. The EAA STC for auto gas is also useless now because it specifically excludes EtOH-gas. E10 is demonstrably safe in Rotax engines as long as you keep in mind its limitations. No, the company will not write it down. E10 will give you a fraction less horsepower (less than 5% drop) E10 has a lower vapor pressure (but I don't know by how much) so avoid very high density altitude operation. For the sake of safety, I'll guess above FL150. If someone has better informed data, please tell me. E10 will gum up and eventually dissolve old rubber and cork gaskets and hoses such as in old Lycoming and Continentals. I have none in my Europa. If you built your AC then you know what you put in it. Otherwise get your airframe manufacturer to spill the beans for you re precisely which components are EtOH sensitive and what non-sensitive components can be used for replacement. E10 is not going away anytime soon, we might as well adapt safely. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199630#199630 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:50 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye It is www.rotax-owner.com (singular, not plural) and it is still there. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply unresponsive. This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger. Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:45 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye Bob - read the page (at http://www.rotax-owners.com/): "Welcome to rotax-owners.com - For ads on Buying a home and Real estate" Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 20 August 2008 11:39 am Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye Rotaxers: The site was down for a couple days. It is now back up. I was just able to access it. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:52, rampil wrote: > > > > Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter > and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply > unresponsive. > > This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on > time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger. > > Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com? > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:56 AM PST US From: "Joe Ronco" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye If you try www.rotax-owner.com I believe this is what you are looking for. No "s" on owner. Joe R -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye Today I went to the Rotax Owners site to check on a Service Letter and found a real-estate site. Over the weekend, the site was simply unresponsive. This usually means that whoever owned the domain failed to pay on time and the domain was sold to a bottom feed scavenger. Anybody know who actually owned www.Rotax-Owners.com? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199632#199632 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:20 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: ROTAX-OWNERS Site bye-bye From: "rampil" Agreed, the site is up and functioning!!! :-) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199674#199674 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:25 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's From: "rampil" Paul, Perhaps the map at: http://www.npra.org/issues/fuels/state_bb/us_fuels_map.pdf is what you were referring to by the comment that E10 was not mandated. However the map, from 2006, is obsolete since the "Renewable Fuels Standard" which was part of the Energy Bill signed by President Bush in 2007. The new rules have ethanol contamination of gasoline expanding year by year to meet certain targets which will shortly grow to encompass essentially all of the country. Just this month, the Governor of Texas petitioned the EPA for an exemption for Texas and he was denied (Google the news for 8/82008) There may be some small pockets of EtOH-free gas left, but in the main, areas of the country now that have significant population, have E10, and not just as a winter oxygenate. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199678#199678 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:11 PM PST US From: "Bob Haas" Subject: RotaxEngines-List: RE: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/19/08 If they were halfway smart they would not buy one in the first place. Like All Americans no maintenance required. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RotaxEngines-List Digest Server Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/19/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RotaxEngines-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RotaxEngines-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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I wonder if anyone can point me to a listing of the items that should be included for the engine? Things like: 1. Compression Check 2. Remove, Clean, Inspect/Replace Spark Plugs.. 3. Etc. Many thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama N8701 - 74 Hours Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:21 AM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Annual Condition Inspection Tommy-- There is a complete listing of what should be addressed in the Rotax "Hea vy Maintence Manual" I use as a guide for all of my ongoing and annual maintance. George May 601XL 912s From: twalker@cableone.netTo: rotaxengines-list@matronics.comSubject: Rotax Engines-List: Annual Condition InspectionDate: Tue=2C 19 Aug 2008 06:45:28 -0500 Rotaxers=2C I=92m getting ready to start the first annual inspection on my homebuilt ai rplane with a Rotax 912ULS. I wonder if anyone can point me to a listing o f the items that should be included for the engine? Things like: 1. Compression Check 2. Remove=2C Clean=2C Inspect/Replace Spark Plugs=85. 3. Etc. Many thanks=2C Tommy Walker in Alabama N8701 - 74 Hours Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_ yahoo_082008 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:42 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Premium Auto Fuel Ethanol Content for 912's The Kitfox list has an ongoing thread on where to get E0 fuel. In rural parts of the country is very common. Also in the same places there is no epa inspection for bad stuff out of the exhaust. Some stations even have signs saying they sell no alcohol fuels and they do a brisk business. I think E10+ is a big city and corn belt thing. Maybe its going to change but so far what I said applies to CA. AZ, CO, NV, WY, and so on. Paul ===== At 01:04 PM 8/20/2008, you wrote: > >Paul, > >Perhaps the map at: http://www.npra.org/issues/fuels/state_bb/us_fuels_map.pdf > >is what you were referring to by the comment that E10 was not mandated. >However the map, from 2006, is obsolete since the "Renewable Fuels >Standard" which was part of the Energy Bill signed by President Bush in >2007. The new rules have ethanol contamination of gasoline expanding >year by year to meet certain targets which will shortly grow to >encompass essentially all of the country. > >Just this month, the Governor of Texas petitioned the EPA for an >exemption for Texas and he was denied (Google the news for 8/82008) > >There may be some small pockets of EtOH-free gas left, but in the main, >areas of the country now that have significant population, have E10, and >not just as a winter oxygenate. > >-------- >Ira N224XS > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199678#199678 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.