---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/29/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Wiring 912 ULS oil pressure sensor (Mike Hoffman) 2. 07:50 AM - 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (Barry Moorhouse) 3. 01:18 PM - Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (Mike Parkin) 4. 01:33 PM - Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (Craig Payne) 5. 01:51 PM - Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (Mike Parkin) 6. 05:54 PM - Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (Roger Lee) 7. 11:54 PM - Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) (K Dilks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:22 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Wiring 912 ULS oil pressure sensor From: "Mike Hoffman" Thanks Ira, I ordered a new sender for now. Ill change it out later when I find a gage that works out. I didn't realize the old gage was a problem. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241869#241869 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:19 AM PST US From: Barry Moorhouse Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) My ROTAX 914 UL(installed in a Europa Tri-gear XS) is due (well actually o verdue) for the mandatory 5 year replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor r ubber parts etc. and I have a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax dist ributor of =A3661.25 for the parts.=0A=0AThis seems ludicrously expensive. Some of the parts maybe Rotax specific (e.g. the carb mounting rubbers ?) b ut many of them are "off the shelf" from other suppliers - e,g the Bing car burettor diaphragms, standard 12mm vacuum oil hose etc. and a rough total c ost for buying these would be less than half the "official" Rotax spares. =0A=0ANow as far as the LAA are concerned is it OK to use these totally com patible and standard parts or would they be regarded as "modifications" as they are not "true" Rotax spares. =0A=0ABarry Moorhouse=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:25 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) No doubt someone will put me right. But I was under the impression that there are no time-lifed components on a permit aircraft, everything is on condition and nothing is mandatory. While I would be the first to change something if it is warranted but I also subscribe to the =91if it ain=92t broke don=92t fix it=92 school. Regards, Mike From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Moorhouse Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) My ROTAX 914 UL(installed in a Europa Tri-gear XS) is due (well actually overdue) for the mandatory 5 year replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor rubber parts etc. and I have a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax distributor of =A3661.25 for the parts. This seems ludicrously expensive. Some of the parts maybe Rotax specific (e.g. the carb mounting rubbers ?) but many of them are "off the shelf" from other suppliers - e,g the Bing carburettor diaphragms, standard 12mm vacuum oil hose etc. and a rough total cost for buying these would be less than half the "official" Rotax spares. Now as far as the LAA are concerned is it OK to use these totally compatible and standard parts or would they be regarded as "modifications" as they are not "true" Rotax spares. Barry Moorhouse Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/28/09 18:02:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:32 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) Well, the 912 has a TBO of 10 calendar years even if it never runs. I know because I have a 10+ year old 912ULS with 6 hours of run time on it. -- Craig From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) No doubt someone will put me right. But I was under the impression that there are no time-lifed components on a permit aircraft, everything is on condition and nothing is mandatory. While I would be the first to change something if it is warranted but I also subscribe to the =91if it ain=92t broke don=92t fix it=92 school. Regards, Mike From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Moorhouse Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) My ROTAX 914 UL(installed in a Europa Tri-gear XS) is due (well actually overdue) for the mandatory 5 year replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor rubber parts etc. and I have a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax distributor of =A3661.25 for the parts. This seems ludicrously expensive. Some of the parts maybe Rotax specific (e.g. the carb mounting rubbers ?) but many of them are "off the shelf" from other suppliers - e,g the Bing carburettor diaphragms, standard 12mm vacuum oil hose etc. and a rough total cost for buying these would be less than half the "official" Rotax spares. Now as far as the LAA are concerned is it OK to use these totally compatible and standard parts or would they be regarded as "modifications" as they are not "true" Rotax spares. Barry Moorhouse http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/28/09 18:02:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:42 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) Craig, I think that only applies to certified installations ' not kit/experimental. Regards, Mike From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: 29 April 2009 21:23 Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) Well, the 912 has a TBO of 10 calendar years even if it never runs. I know because I have a 10+ year old 912ULS with 6 hours of run time on it. -- Craig From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) No doubt someone will put me right. But I was under the impression that there are no time-lifed components on a permit aircraft, everything is on condition and nothing is mandatory. While I would be the first to change something if it is warranted but I also subscribe to the =91if it ain=92t broke don=92t fix it=92 school. Regards, Mike From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Moorhouse Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 Subject: RotaxEngines-List: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) My ROTAX 914 UL(installed in a Europa Tri-gear XS) is due (well actually overdue) for the mandatory 5 year replacement of rubber hoses, carburettor rubber parts etc. and I have a jaw dropping kit price from the UK Rotax distributor of =A3661.25 for the parts. This seems ludicrously expensive. Some of the parts maybe Rotax specific (e.g. the carb mounting rubbers ?) but many of them are "off the shelf" from other suppliers - e,g the Bing carburettor diaphragms, standard 12mm vacuum oil hose etc. and a rough total cost for buying these would be less than half the "official" Rotax spares. Now as far as the LAA are concerned is it OK to use these totally compatible and standard parts or would they be regarded as "modifications" as they are not "true" Rotax spares. Barry Moorhouse http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/28/09 18:02:00 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/29/09 06:37:00 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:47 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) From: "Roger Lee" Hi Guys, Rotax does have a 5 year full rubber replacement on the 912's and 914's. If you are experimental then do what ever you want to do, but that could lead you into trouble one day. It's not like a car that you can pull over to the curb. If you are experimental and have insurance and you have a failure from any rubber part that causes an accident or contributed to an accident that could give and in some case has given them grounds to deny. I have seen enough investigations to know insurance companies will look to see if you have followed the Rotax manual and they will have the investigator document any lack of judgment. Heaven forbid anything you did or didn't do caused the accident. Just because you don't want to do it doesn't mean you shouldn't. If you are SLSA you have to do it. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241991#241991 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:57 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 914 UL 5 Year Rubber Replacement (UK LAA Specific) From: "K Dilks" If you do go the on condition route, have a good look at the carb rubber sockets and carb diaphrams. The external parts are easy to visually check. Check the coolant tank to see if there is a black sludge , this is dissolved rubber caused by some coolants........ Kev -------- Austria ............. 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