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1. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (FLYaDIVE)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Richard Girard)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: More on ethanol (lucien)
4. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Noel Loveys)
5. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Jim Hazen)
6. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Dave G)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Dave)
8. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: More on ethanol (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
Noel:
The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) that pushed for
a STRONG EPA. So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT ANY
TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be. YES, the molecular
size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right through a
CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the ground and migrate to water
supplies. But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE. What
really hurt ... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-English
speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BIG BUCK$.
Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockeys. This cut
into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL be using MTBE.
So, where does ETHANOL come in? It is GRAIN ALCOHOL. It has NOTHING to do
with clean air. It has to do with Backroom Politics ... One hand washes
the other. Huge Government contracts were going to the coastal states and
Middle America was not getting pieces of the pie. So, how can that be
remedied? Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert them over to
alcohol add it to our GAS once again believing and using the UN-TESTED
METHODS of the EPA - AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United States to
buy it. Hey it is only 10%! But, EVERYONE seems to have forgotten how
inexpensive a loaf of bread use to be. Ask your WIFE! Middle America can
make MORE money selling Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethanol than it can
selling a loaf of bread. AND as gas millage goes down because of ETHANOL
... SO WHAT! The EPA said it was a good thing.
But here is where I have a math problem. If we get 10% less fuel economy
doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel? And if we are burning 10% more
fuel doesn't that mean we are producing 10% more pollution?
What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a Government o
f
the People, BY the People and For the People.
DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! ! Bend over America!
Barry
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> As far as I know the powers to be wanted to get the MTBE (Methyl
> tert-butyl ether out of the gas. The MTBE was added as an octane booste
r
> but when underground fuel tanks started leaking as the sometimes do a lit
tle
> MTBE would pollute a large quantity of groundwater..
>
> The idea was to add ethanol which has an RON of 116 as the booster in pla
ce
> of the MTBE. The some yahoo got the idea of using it as a replacement fo
r
> gas. There are problems with that. I really feel sorry for the people w
ho
> went out and bought the so called flex fuel vehicles as they don=92t work
as
> well on fuel that has not been doctored with ethanol... Believe me when
the
> full story is out on ethanol fuel it will go the way of the gooney bird i
n
> North America.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
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> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
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> *Sent:* January 22, 2010 10:43 AM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
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> In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes:
>
> Apparently that=92s what they are making the underground fuel tanks out o
f
> now.
>
> Yeah, then the powers-that-be will come up with another super-duper
> additive that eats the underground fuel tanks & they'll have to replace a
ll
> of them...again. We got some real thinkers in government now.
>
>
> Way to go Massachusetts!
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
Okay, enough. Last I saw this was the Rotax engine forum, not Fox Spews.
Barry, so far your contributions have been misconceptions based upon a
complete failure to do any research about these engines, and now a politcal
rant that is completely irrelevant to the purpose of this forum. If you
truly came here to learn something, go to the Rotax Owners site and downloa
d
the manuals for the engines. Most of your ignorance about the object of thi
s
forum can be corrected by that little bit of effort on your part.
If you want to have a political rant there are many web sites that can
accommodate you.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:09 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Noel:
>
> The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) that pushed f
or
> a STRONG EPA. So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT AN
Y
> TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be. YES, the molecul
ar
> size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right through
a
> CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the ground and migrate to water
> supplies. But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE. Wh
at
> really hurt ... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-English
> speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BIG BUCK
$.
> Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockeys. This c
ut
> into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL be using MTBE.
>
> So, where does ETHANOL come in? It is GRAIN ALCOHOL. It has NOTHING to
do
> with clean air. It has to do with Backroom Politics ... One hand wash
es
> the other. Huge Government contracts were going to the coastal states an
d
> Middle America was not getting pieces of the pie. So, how can that be
> remedied? Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert them over to
> alcohol add it to our GAS once again believing and using the UN-TESTED
> METHODS of the EPA - AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United States to
> buy it. Hey it is only 10%! But, EVERYONE seems to have forgotten how
> inexpensive a loaf of bread use to be. Ask your WIFE! Middle America ca
n
> make MORE money selling Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethanol than it c
an
> selling a loaf of bread. AND as gas millage goes down because of ETHANOL
> ... SO WHAT! The EPA said it was a good thing.
>
> But here is where I have a math problem. If we get 10% less fuel economy
> doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel? And if we are burning 10% more
> fuel doesn't that mean we are producing 10% more pollution?
>
> What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a Government
> of the People, BY the People and For the People.
>
> DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! ! Bend over America!
>
> Barry
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know the powers to be wanted to get the MTBE (Methyl
>> tert-butyl ether out of the gas. The MTBE was added as an octane boost
er
>> but when underground fuel tanks started leaking as the sometimes do a li
ttle
>> MTBE would pollute a large quantity of groundwater..
>>
>> The idea was to add ethanol which has an RON of 116 as the booster in
>> place of the MTBE. The some yahoo got the idea of using it as a replace
ment
>> for gas. There are problems with that. I really feel sorry for the peo
ple
>> who went out and bought the so called flex fuel vehicles as they don=92t
work
>> as well on fuel that has not been doctored with ethanol... Believe me w
hen
>> the full story is out on ethanol fuel it will go the way of the gooney b
ird
>> in North America.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> blumax008@aol.com
>> *Sent:* January 22, 2010 10:43 AM
>> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
>>
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>>
>> In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes:
>>
>> Apparently that=92s what they are making the underground fuel tanks out
of
>> now.
>>
>> Yeah, then the powers-that-be will come up with another super-duper
>> additive that eats the underground fuel tanks & they'll have to replace
all
>> of them...again. We got some real thinkers in government now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Way to go Massachusetts!
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
Float Flyr wrote:
> As far as I know the powers to be wanted to get the MTBE (Methyl tert-butyl ether
out of the gas. The MTBE was added as an octane booster but when underground
fuel tanks started leaking as the sometimes do a little MTBE would pollute
a large quantity of groundwater..
> The idea was to add ethanol which has an RON of 116 as the booster in place of
the MTBE. The some yahoo got the idea of using it as a replacement for gas.
There are problems with that. I really feel sorry for the people who went out
and bought the so called flex fuel vehicles as they dont work as well on fuel
that has not been doctored with ethanol... Believe me when the full story is out
on ethanol fuel it will go the way of the gooney bird in North America.
>
> Noel
>
Well, politics aside, the story is already out and has been out since the beginning.
Ethanol is NOT a renewable fuel. It's not sustainable - essentially, you
can't produce it in a self-sustaining way because of the energy budget. It requires
large amounts of petroleum to produce and use as a fuel and the net gain
is negative. Ultimately we're better off just burning the petrolium itself rather
than trying to convert it to ethanol.
T. Boone Pickens has been saying this for years and years and noone has ever listened
to him, so you can be sure noone will ever listen to any of us here on
the Rotax engines list ;).
Pretty much we don't have a lot of choices until we figure out some other way of
cranking the props on our planes, like going to natural gas in our Rotaxen or
replacing them outright with electric motors. The battery technology for the
latter is a ways out.
Meanwhile..... there's no problem running E10 in our Rotaxen. It was approved for
use last summer so we can knock ourselves out. We do have to make sure our
fuel systems can handle it.
This will all change again, of course, once E15 is forced on us and we'll have
to go through this entire mess all over again. But we're ok with E10 in the meantime....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283063#283063
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
I just didn't want to get into the politics of it... When I went to a
boarding house once I was told to stay away form the topics of politics and
religion... that pretty much left the weather as a topic of discussion ;-)
Noel
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: January 23, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
Noel:
The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) that pushed for
a STRONG EPA. So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT ANY
TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be. YES, the molecular
size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right through a
CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the ground and migrate to water
supplies. But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE. What
really hurt ... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-English
speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BIG BUCK$.
Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockeys. This cut
into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL be using MTBE.
So, where does ETHANOL come in? It is GRAIN ALCOHOL. It has NOTHING to do
with clean air. It has to do with Backroom Politics ... One hand washes
the other. Huge Government contracts were going to the coastal states and
Middle America was not getting pieces of the pie. So, how can that be
remedied? Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert them over to
alcohol add it to our GAS once again believing and using the UN-TESTED
METHODS of the EPA - AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United States to
buy it. Hey it is only 10%! But, EVERYONE seems to have forgotten how
inexpensive a loaf of bread use to be. Ask your WIFE! Middle America can
make MORE money selling Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethanol than it can
selling a loaf of bread. AND as gas millage goes down because of ETHANOL
.... SO WHAT! The EPA said it was a good thing.
But here is where I have a math problem. If we get 10% less fuel economy
doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel? And if we are burning 10% more
fuel doesn't that mean we are producing 10% more pollution?
What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a Government of
the People, BY the People and For the People.
DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! ! Bend over America!
Barry
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
As far as I know the powers to be wanted to get the MTBE (Methyl tert-butyl
ether out of the gas. The MTBE was added as an octane booster but when
underground fuel tanks started leaking as the sometimes do a little MTBE
would pollute a large quantity of groundwater..
The idea was to add ethanol which has an RON of 116 as the booster in place
of the MTBE. The some yahoo got the idea of using it as a replacement for
gas. There are problems with that. I really feel sorry for the people who
went out and bought the so called flex fuel vehicles as they don't work as
well on fuel that has not been doctored with ethanol... Believe me when the
full story is out on ethanol fuel it will go the way of the gooney bird in
North America.
Noel
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
blumax008@aol.com
Sent: January 22, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes:
Apparently that's what they are making the underground fuel tanks out of
now.
Yeah, then the powers-that-be will come up with another super-duper additive
that eats the underground fuel tanks & they'll have to replace all of
them...again. We got some real thinkers in government now.
Way to go Massachusetts!
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
Noel, I hate to break the bad news to you but the weather/climate is no lon
ger a safe subject. As a pilot you are one of the evil doers that are respo
nsible for global warming. Thanks to people like us, the polar bears are d
ying. Besides, AGW is now a religion with Algore as it's high priest.
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 13:52
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
I just didn=92t want to get into the politics of it...- When I went to a
boarding house once I was told to stay away form the topics of politics and
religion...- that pretty much left the weather as a topic of discussion
;-)
-
Noel
-
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengin
es-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: January 23, 2010 10:40 AM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
-
Noel:
-
The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) -that pushed f
or a STRONG EPA.- So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT
ANY TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be.- YES, the mo
lecular size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right t
hrough a CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the-ground and migrate to w
ater supplies.- But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE
- What really hurt-... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-
English speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BI
G BUCK$.- Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockey
s.- This cut into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL b
e using MTBE.
-
So, where does ETHANOL come in?- It is GRAIN ALCOHOL.- It has NOTHING t
o do with clean air.- ---It has to do with Backroom Politics ... On
e hand washes the other.- Huge Government contracts were going to the coa
stal states and Middle America was not getting pieces of the pie.- So, ho
w can that be remedied?- Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert
them over to alcohol add it to our GAS once again believing and using the U
N-TESTED METHODS of the EPA - AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United St
ates to buy it.- Hey it is only 10%!- But, EVERYONE seems to have forgo
tten how inexpensive a loaf of bread use to be.- Ask your WIFE!- Middle
America can make MORE money selling Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethano
l than it can selling a loaf of bread.- AND as gas millage goes down beca
use of ETHANOL ... SO WHAT!- The EPA said it was a good thing.-
-
But here is where I have a math problem.- If we get 10% less fuel economy
doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel?- And if we are burning 10% more
fuel doesn't that mean-we are producing 10% more pollution?
-
What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a Government o
f the People, BY the People and For the People.
-
DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! !-- Bend over America!
-
Barry
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
As far as I know the powers to be wanted to get the MTBE (Methyl tert-butyl
ether -out of the gas.- The MTBE was added as an octane booster but wh
en underground fuel tanks started leaking as the sometimes do a little MTBE
would pollute a large quantity of groundwater..-
The idea was to add ethanol which has an RON of 116 as the booster in place
of the MTBE.- The some yahoo got the idea of using it as a replacement f
or gas.- There are problems with that.- I really feel sorry for the peo
ple who went out and bought the so called flex fuel vehicles as they don=92
t work as well on fuel that has not been doctored with ethanol...- Believ
e me when the full story is out on ethanol fuel it will go the way of the g
ooney bird in North America.
-
Noel
-
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengin
es-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of blumax008@aol.com
Sent: January 22, 2010 10:43 AM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
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In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:56:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noelloveys
@yahoo.ca writes:
Apparently that=92s what they are making the underground fuel tanks out of
now.
Yeah, then the powers-that-be will come up with another super-duper additiv
e that eats the underground fuel tanks & they'll have to replace all of the
m...again. We got some real thinkers in government now.
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Way to go Massachusetts!
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
WTF do you mean, don't get you started? You started yourself. I really don't
give a hoot about your hatred of any political party in what to me is a
foreign country. I'm sure you can find lots of your own countrymen to argue
or agree as you will over your politics, but this isn't the place.
In return for your silence on how much you hate the great satan of your
choice, I will stay silent on a vast array of opinions I hold on global
warming, torture, your country's foreign policy, Bush, Cheney, Republican
news media ETC. I'm sure you'll agree that this group will be much better
without all that.
----- Original Message -----
From: FLYaDIVE
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
Noel:
The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! !
Bend over America!
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
I'll make sure to file this with all the other loud mouth bigoted
comments I
hear and assign a credibility score of zero to the poster. I have many
an
hour pumping gas, breathing asbestos dust during brake jobs, working
with
Trichloroethylene etc. prior to any of them being exposed as a health
issue
so if someone sues over an occupational health issue on these or any
other
products and wins that's fine with me.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FLYaDIVE
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 08:10
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
Noel:
The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) that pushed
for
a STRONG EPA. So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT
ANY
TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be. YES, the
molecular
size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right
through a
CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the ground and migrate to water
supplies. But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE.
What
really hurt ... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-English
speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BIG
BUCK$.
Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockeys. This
cut
into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL be using
MTBE.
So, where does ETHANOL come in? It is GRAIN ALCOHOL. It has NOTHING to
do
with clean air. It has to do with Backroom Politics ... One hand
washes
the other. Huge Government contracts were going to the coastal states
and
Middle America was not getting pieces of the pie. So, how can that be
remedied? Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert them over to
alcohol add it to our GAS once again believing and using the UN-TESTED
METHODS of the EPA - AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United States
to
buy it. Hey it is only 10%! But, EVERYONE seems to have forgotten how
inexpensive a loaf of bread use to be. Ask your WIFE! Middle America
can
make MORE money selling Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethanol than it
can
selling a loaf of bread. AND as gas millage goes down because of
ETHANOL
... SO WHAT! The EPA said it was a good thing.
But here is where I have a math problem. If we get 10% less fuel
economy
doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel? And if we are burning 10% more
fuel doesn't that mean we are producing 10% more pollution?
What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a
Government of
the People, BY the People and For the People.
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| Subject: | Re: More on ethanol |
Noel, Rotax engines are a safe topic. :-}
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Dave <daberti@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I=92ll make sure to file this with all the other loud mouth bigoted
> comments I hear and assign a credibility score of zero to the poster. I
> have many an hour pumping gas, breathing asbestos dust during brake jobs,
> working with Trichloroethylene etc. prior to any of them being exposed as
a
> health issue so if someone sues over an occupational health issue on thes
e
> or any other products and wins that=92s fine with me.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 08:10
>
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: More on ethanol
>
>
> Noel:
>
>
> The powers powers to be were the DAM-O-CRATS (Ted Kennedy) that pushed f
or
> a STRONG EPA. So strong that MTBE was recommended by the EPA with OUT AN
Y
> TESTING or proof of what the intended results would be. YES, the molecul
ar
> size of MTBE is so small that a SPILLED quantity would seep right through
a
> CEMENT/CONCRETE platform and pollute the ground and migrate to water
> supplies. But that STILL was not enough to cause the recall of MTBE. Wh
at
> really hurt ... Hurt the POCKETBOOK was that minimum wage, non-English
> speaking, illegal immigrants were SUING Big Business and WINNING BIG BUCK
$.
> Because of the medical issues MTBE was causing upon pump jockeys. This c
ut
> into profits and if not for hurting profits we would STILL be using MTBE.
>
>
> So, where does ETHANOL come in? It is GRAIN ALCOHOL. It has NOTHING to
do
> with clean air. It has to do with Backroom Politics ... One hand wash
es
> the other. Huge Government contracts were going to the coastal states an
d Middle
> America was not getting pieces of the pie. So, how can that be remedied?
> Hey, will take grains (mostly corn) and convert them over to alcohol add
it
> to our GAS once again believing and using the UN-TESTED METHODS of the EP
A -
> AGAIN - And force the PEOPLE of the United States to buy it. Hey it is o
nly
> 10%! But, EVERYONE seems to have forgotten how inexpensive a loaf of bre
ad
> use to be. Ask your WIFE! Middle America can make MORE money selling
> Government Supported - FUNDED - Ethanol than it can selling a loaf of
> bread. AND as gas millage goes down because of ETHANOL ... SO WHAT! The
> EPA said it was a good thing.
>
>
> But here is where I have a math problem. If we get 10% less fuel economy
> doesn't that mean we burn 10% more fuel? And if we are burning 10% more
> fuel doesn't that mean we are producing 10% more pollution?
>
>
> What's gone the way of the Gooney Bird is 'Common Sense" and a Government
> of the People, BY the People and For the People.
>
>
> DON'T GET ME STARTED! ! ! Bend over America!
>
>
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