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1. 06:47 AM - Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (rampil)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Blumax008@aol.com)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Ivan)
4. 08:09 AM - Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (sdemeyer)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (ricklach)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (ricklach)
7. 09:47 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Geoff Heap)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (John Cox)
9. 11:19 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (rampil)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (rampil)
11. 11:43 AM - Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (Roger Lee)
12. 11:50 AM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Roger Lee)
13. 12:00 PM - SLSA and your Service Bulletins (Roger Lee)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Ivan)
15. 12:06 PM - Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (sdemeyer)
16. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (John Cox)
17. 12:26 PM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (sdemeyer)
18. 02:36 PM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (rampil)
19. 02:47 PM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Craig Payne)
20. 03:25 PM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Roger Lee)
21. 05:06 PM - Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Noel Loveys)
22. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (Noel Loveys)
23. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Noel Loveys)
24. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL (jason Parker)
25. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info (Pete Christensen)
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| Subject: | Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Along with the new carb video, the site now wants everyone to re-register
and push us to subscribe for $50/yr for access to documents and videos.
Personally, I think plunking down $15 - 25,000 for an engine which
has statutory maintenance requirements should entitle buyers to free
tech support.
Fie on Rotax for nickel and diming its customers!
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
They must've got that idea from Dell Computers.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Pushing Rotax owners to subscribe for a fee to access documents is a very
bad move on their part. It is to their advantage to get directives out to
cutomers to avoid liability. I guess they did not learn their lesson by
their legal battles during the past few years. I had always felt Rotax
dissemination of issues was scanty at best. This is one reason why I sold
my aircraft last year to get out from under Rotax lousy support. I
purchased a new LSA airplane and opted to have a Jabiru engine. When there
is an issue I get the SD mained to me and giving me good hard documentation.
I am spoiled now with good support and dont have to pay a "fee" to access
this support.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
>
> Along with the new carb video, the site now wants everyone to re-register
> and push us to subscribe for $50/yr for access to documents and videos.
>
> Personally, I think plunking down $15 - 25,000 for an engine which
> has statutory maintenance requirements should entitle buyers to free
> tech support.
>
> Fie on Rotax for nickel and diming its customers!
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285343#285343
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| Subject: | Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
Hi List,
I've repaired for the last time, broken wires on my modules and have decided to
just replace them both. Before I go out and spend my kids college tuition on
new modules I wanted to check if anyone had any used modules, with no broken wires,
for sale. My 912 is an older model with four pin connector and single leads
going to coils. Module part number is 965-358
Thanks,
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
It's time to make yourself heard. I for one and my customers are fed-up with the
Rotax Gold Standard. This move of charging $50.00 per registered member, and
they boast a 32,000 membership, makes them and instant $1,600,000.00 dollars
for what was a free service. It sure doesn't cost them $1,600,000.00 to manage
a web site and make a few videos.
If your as upset as I am tell them at: info@rotax-owner.com
Rick
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N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
There's some on E-Bay now. I don't know if there the 4 or 6 pin though.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
I already gave $17,000. Don't tell me they spent it already. I'm off to email them
what I think....Geoff
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| Subject: | Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
As a counterpoint. Beechcraft wants $175 whether you take their time
for 1 minute or 59.9 minutes. They are trying to stay financially
viable in challenging times.
Hope your wish comes true. I am worried most manufacturers are going to
declare Tech Support a "Profit Center".
John Cox
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rampil
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:46 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Along with the new carb video, the site now wants everyone to
re-register
and push us to subscribe for $50/yr for access to documents and videos.
Personally, I think plunking down $15 - 25,000 for an engine which
has statutory maintenance requirements should entitle buyers to free
tech support.
Fie on Rotax for nickel and diming its customers!
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Anyone who owns a Beech is implicitly asking to be overcharged.
This is the Rotax forum. Rotax owners are supposed to be Cost-Efficient!
Squeezing loyal customers by changing the rules after they commit will
loose more money than they will realize from this scheme. Not to mention
the hard feelings.
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
Wires on these puppies should not ever break if they are supported
properly. Where did they break?
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
Hi All,
While you all on on the subject of ignition modules I have one for sale. It is
brand new never used still in the package. It is a 6 pin and is for a 912ULS (100
HP). Original cost was $1044. I will let it go for $850.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Hi Guys,
I'm not sure where the $50 comes in? When I registered a few days back it was $19.95.
I just looked again and that is what it wanted to charge me for a 1 year
subscription. Maybe I missed something? You can register for free and still
get your SB's, just not all the other videos.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | SLSA and your Service Bulletins |
SLSA and your Service Bulletins
Looks like with the new LSA rules becoming effective April 2nd. require all
SLSA owners to have proof or documentation that all the SB's for your plane are
current and that has to be passed on to the next owner as well. I have seen
in the last two months too many CT's in specific that do not have service bulletins
done and no documentation in their logbooks either way.
I would make it a priority as the owner to log these SB's in your logbook and
get them signed off as done. This is anorther thing that will cost you big
bucks when you decide to sell your plane if this is not done regardless of the
new rule. I saw a CT last month that was 14 SB's out of date. Remember there
are Rotax, FD and BRS SB's. If you don't get the mechanic to log and sign it off
when they do it then getting another mechanic to sign off and take the liability
for someone else's work may be difficult. There is usually a place in the
back off the logbook to list any SB's that relate to you and documet the time
and date done. You may even want to list ones that don't apply to your specific
plane, i.e. the stabilator SB for older CT's, and log it as not applicable.
It only takes 30 seconds and makes everyone's life easier. Sometimes trying
to go back years on a plane to find if an item has been done is not that easy
and some mechanics paperwork as you all know can be less than desirable.
This is not something really new, but should be done for any aircraft. keep
good records and save yourself a headache and money later.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
50 or 19.95, or 10,000. What's the difference. It is the principle. With
the economy the way it is they should be rolling out the red carpet for us.
Lots of other choices in the competition. As far as i am concerned now,
they lost the game.
ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm not sure where the $50 comes in? When I registered a few days back it
> was $19.95. I just looked again and that is what it wanted to charge me
> for a 1 year subscription. Maybe I missed something? You can register for
> free and still get your SB's, just not all the other videos.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285429#285429
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
rampil wrote:
> Wires on these puppies should not ever break if they are supported
> properly. Where did they break?
When I purchased the plane last April, several of the module wires had been butt
spliced with cheap automotive splices, within 1/4" of where they exited the
module. The butt splices were over crimped causing the wires to eventually break
and the strands were corroded as well.
About 80 hours ago, I re-spliced all the wires by soldering and covering with heatshrink.
Evidently, a solder joint came apart and/or wore through the heatshrink.
There is not enough left sticking out the module to "safely" fix anymore
and it does not look possible to split the module for replacing the entire wires.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Something for nothing is exactly what you pay for it. The comment was
only meant to be an indicator that service is a value and some think it
merits compensation. I agree that $175 is a bit steep. Asking for ones
service for nothing a bit bold.
Good luck with your project.
John
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rampil
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:16 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Anyone who owns a Beech is implicitly asking to be overcharged.
This is the Rotax forum. Rotax owners are supposed to be
Cost-Efficient!
Squeezing loyal customers by changing the rules after they commit will
loose more money than they will realize from this scheme. Not to mention
the hard feelings.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
I don't think $19.95 is unreasonable. This can be easily made up in one DIY "Carb
Sync" procedure versus paying someone. I am in Information Technology for
a living and I know first hand how expensive this stuff is to purchase and maintain.
Personally, the valuable information obtained from Rotax-Owners is worth
$19.95 to me.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Hi Roger,
The fee for subscription is $49.95 as it says with a "Special" temporary
price of $19.95.
For everyone up until today, the agreed to deal with tech support,(
which by the way, is only a web site with service documents, not
live person voice support like with Beech!), was it is free to customers.
That means every one who bought an engine did so under those conditions.
Now, without prior notice they want to charge for web site access.
This is unfair and poor business practice.
And of course its another $50 to register to take a course now too, for no added
value to the customer.
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| Subject: | Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Really, I have never received any communication on issues from Jabiru. I'm
in the US and my engine was purchased from Jabiru/USA.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Pushing Rotax owners to subscribe for a fee to access documents is a very
bad move on their part. It is to their advantage to get directives out to
cutomers to avoid liability. I guess they did not learn their lesson by
their legal battles during the past few years. I had always felt Rotax
dissemination of issues was scanty at best. This is one reason why I sold
my aircraft last year to get out from under Rotax lousy support. I
purchased a new LSA airplane and opted to have a Jabiru engine. When there
is an issue I get the SD mained to me and giving me good hard documentation.
I am spoiled now with good support and dont have to pay a "fee" to access
this support.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
>
> Along with the new carb video, the site now wants everyone to re-register
> and push us to subscribe for $50/yr for access to documents and videos.
>
> Personally, I think plunking down $15 - 25,000 for an engine which
> has statutory maintenance requirements should entitle buyers to free
> tech support.
>
> Fie on Rotax for nickel and diming its customers!
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285343#285343
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
I'm not happy about the fees any more than anyone else, but I don't see much of
a choice. They are doing like everyone else, including the government, trying
to make up differences in the bottom line due to the economy. I'm in the same
boat with all of you.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
What they are doing is:
* increasing the value of lists like this
* Trying to convince customers to go elsewhere
* Increasing their liability
Noel
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: February 8, 2010 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
As a counterpoint. Beechcraft wants $175 whether you take their time
for 1 minute or 59.9 minutes. They are trying to stay financially
viable in challenging times.
Hope your wish comes true. I am worried most manufacturers are going to
declare Tech Support a "Profit Center".
John Cox
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rampil
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:46 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Along with the new carb video, the site now wants everyone to
re-register
and push us to subscribe for $50/yr for access to documents and videos.
Personally, I think plunking down $15 - 25,000 for an engine which
has statutory maintenance requirements should entitle buyers to free
tech support.
Fie on Rotax for nickel and diming its customers!
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
If the wires were corroded as well that makes me think someone tinned the
wires with solder before crimping... That would cause corrosion and
breakage.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sdemeyer
Sent: February 8, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL
<scottsr1100rt@yahoo.com>
rampil wrote:
> Wires on these puppies should not ever break if they are supported
> properly. Where did they break?
When I purchased the plane last April, several of the module wires had been
butt spliced with cheap automotive splices, within 1/4" of where they exited
the module. The butt splices were over crimped causing the wires to
eventually break and the strands were corroded as well.
About 80 hours ago, I re-spliced all the wires by soldering and covering
with heatshrink. Evidently, a solder joint came apart and/or wore through
the heatshrink. There is not enough left sticking out the module to "safely"
fix anymore and it does not look possible to split the module for replacing
the entire wires.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Then again there is the fact that the only ones interested in that
particular product are either customers or people who want to keep their
product working properly.
Noel
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: February 8, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Something for nothing is exactly what you pay for it. The comment was
only meant to be an indicator that service is a value and some think it
merits compensation. I agree that $175 is a bit steep. Asking for ones
service for nothing a bit bold.
Good luck with your project.
John
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rampil
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:16 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
Anyone who owns a Beech is implicitly asking to be overcharged.
This is the Rotax forum. Rotax owners are supposed to be
Cost-Efficient!
Squeezing loyal customers by changing the rules after they commit will
loose more money than they will realize from this scheme. Not to mention
the hard feelings.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL |
I have new an used moduals available from engine which I have fuel injected
. used moduals 450 each new 700. New one came off of a 2009 engine
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, sdemeyer <scottsr1100rt@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: sdemeyer <scottsr1100rt@yahoo.com>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Wanted: Ingition Modules for 912UL
m>
rampil wrote:
> Wires on these puppies should not ever break if they are supported
> properly.- Where did they break?
When I purchased the plane last April, several of the module wires had been
butt spliced with cheap automotive splices, within 1/4" of where they exit
ed the module. The butt splices were over crimped causing the wires to even
tually break and the strands were corroded as well.
About 80 hours ago, I re-spliced all the wires by soldering and covering wi
th heatshrink. Evidently, a solder joint came apart and/or wore through the
heatshrink. There is not enough left sticking out the module to "safely" f
ix anymore and it does not look possible to split the module for replacing
the entire wires.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info |
Well, I paid my $19.95 and have the videos and other documents downloaded to
my computer. I'll worry about next year later. I've put their info to good
use for free for so long and don't begrudge their small charge.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax-Owners Starts charging for Info
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> The fee for subscription is $49.95 as it says with a "Special" temporary
> price of $19.95.
>
>
> For everyone up until today, the agreed to deal with tech support,(
> which by the way, is only a web site with service documents, not
> live person voice support like with Beech!), was it is free to customers.
>
> That means every one who bought an engine did so under those conditions.
>
> Now, without prior notice they want to charge for web site access.
>
> This is unfair and poor business practice.
>
>
> And of course its another $50 to register to take a course now too, for no
> added value to the customer.
>
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> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285470#285470
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