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1. 05:40 AM - electric fuel pump AD (Kevin Klinefelter)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Roger Lee)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: electric fuel pump AD (Roger Lee)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: electric fuel pump AD (paul wilson)
5. 10:36 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard)
6. 11:56 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Bob Comperini)
7. 01:42 PM - Re: electric fuel pump AD (Roger Lee)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard)
9. 03:10 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Bob Comperini)
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| Subject: | electric fuel pump AD |
AD issued on electric fuel pumps
The FAA issued an airworthiness directive on Sept. 8 requiring the
inspection/replacement of electric fuel pumps on Bombardier-Rotax 912 F
series and 912 S series reciprocating engines. The FAA determined that
excessive fuel pressure could create a deviation in the fuel supply,
resulting in engine malfunction or fuel leakage. Engines utilizing the
pumps are commonly installed in Diamond aircraft, as well as others, the
FAA said. As of the effective date of the AD, owners must remove, and
are prohibited from installing, fuel pumps with part numbers 892230,
892232, 892235, 892236, 892540, or 892545, at the next maintenance or
within the next 25 hours of engine operation, whichever occurs first.
The FAA estimates that 0.5 hours of work will be required for
compliance. Required parts will cost about $650. For more information,
download the AD.
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
Hi Rick,
I agree whole heartedly that the bottom line no matter what category you are in
within the aviation world is don't play with these people because they hold all
the cards. Loosing your registration along with all the other repercussions
of loosing it will be the biggest headache you ever had. It's easy enough to
do and it's for a good cause and let's hope it works as well as the FAA thinks
it will. So for me it's get'er done and move on.
This way I can cut back on the Ibuprofen.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump AD |
These engines are the certified versions, that's why the FAA has issued an AD.
Rotax had previously issued an SB on pumps for everyone else quite some time ago.
They had many of us replace our fuel pumps. This is why you should set up
your fuel pump in parallel instead of series.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312020#312020
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| Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump AD |
Roger,
Any chance this pump is the Facet a lot of us are using?
Thanks, Paul
===
At 07:33 AM 9/10/2010, you wrote:
>
>These engines are the certified versions, that's why the FAA has
>issued an AD. Rotax had previously issued an SB on pumps for
>everyone else quite some time ago. They had many of us replace our
>fuel pumps. This is why you should set up your fuel pump in parallel
>instead of series.
>
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>Roger Lee
>Tucson, Az.
>Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
>Rotax Repair Center
>520-574-1080
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312020#312020
>
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS
required.
If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration
process over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration
cannot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Bob Comperini <bob@fly-ul.com> wrote:
> No. I disagree. I allege thato the 8050-88 is not used again. That is not a
> "registration application".
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> Bob Comperini
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> On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
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> True. My point is, if you fail to re-register, this is the paperwork that
> will make it impossible to get back in.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Bob Comperini < <bob@fly-ul.com>
> bob@fly-ul.com> wrote:
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>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Richard Girard < <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>> aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form
>> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraft
>> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2).
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>> That form is for initial airworthiness but I don't think it's
>> used for the three year renewals.
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> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS r
equired.
> If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration pro
cess over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration cann
ot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A.
>
> Rick
Hi Rick. Yes we all agree that people need to re-register But if you do hap
pen to let the registration lapse, I don't think the process is same as the "
initial" registration which did require that 8050-88 form. That's all I was s
aying. When you sell a plane you don't need the 88 form since registration a
lready exists. Normally it's the 8050-1 that is used to apply for registrati
on. I suspect some new version of the -1 form will be used for this 3 year r
e-registration. If you miss the date, the registration and N-numbers are sti
ll yours....at least for some amount of time. If you look at the FAA website
(http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_r
egistry/) you will see that indeed they have come up with a new version of t
he 8050-1. There is no mention of the 8050-88, and there is mention of how t
o re-register if the registration has expired.
Again I agree we all need to do this, but I don't think a person is immediat
ely screwed forever if they happen to miss the date. Of course they would be
grounded until all the paperwork is current again. And at some point (90 da
ys?) after expiration, yes I would expect the FAA to just cancel a registrat
ion, assuming that aircraft is no longer flying
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| Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump AD |
Hi Paul,
Yes the Facet pump is the most common here in the US. I'm sure there may be others.
Everyone should have checked the Rotax SB and then your pump serial number
to see if you were in the recall bunch. There were a lot of them. Rotax has
said when they come out with items like this only about 5%-10% take advantage
of a new item offered or most don't ever read the SB's. My new Rotax pump was
free so it was just the labor to put it on and I had that part covered. [Laughing]
If you have an electric pump in series it really would be better in parallel or
just don't run it unless there is a real need, like your engine is dying or sputtering.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312060#312060
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
Bob, First of all you keep mentioning form 8050-88. This is not the form in
question. 8050-88 is used to register experimental amateur built aircraft.
It is form 8050-88A that is used for light sport aircraft. It is an
Affidavit of Ownership and must be notarized and sent in WITH 8050-1 to
complete the registration process. 8050-88A has, as I've previously stated,
has been revised and now only offers two methods to registration, through
FAR 21.190 or FAR 21.191 i(2). If you don't meet those requirements you
cannot get a registration as an E-LSA.
You are free to believe anything you want, but a quick call to the Light
Sport Branch will get you the same answer I got. If you fail to re-register
your Experimental Light Sport Aircraft by the deadline on the form you are
sent, there is no path back at this time. Hopefully the EAA can work with
the feds to make a method available, but right now there is not.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Bob Comperini <bob@fly-ul.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS
> required.
> If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration
> process over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration
> cannot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A.
>
> Rick*
> *
>
>
> Hi Rick. Yes we all agree that people need to re-register But if you do
> happen to let the registration lapse, I don't think the process is same as
> the "initial" registration which did require that 8050-88 form. That's all I
> was saying. When you sell a plane you don't need the 88 form since
> registration already exists. Normally it's the 8050-1 that is used to apply
> for registration. I suspect some new version of the -1 form will be used for
> this 3 year re-registration. If you miss the date, the registration and
> N-numbers are still yours....at least for some amount of time. If you look
> at the FAA website (
> http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/)
> you will see that indeed they have come up with a new version of the 8050-1.
> There is no mention of the 8050-88, and there is mention of how to
> re-register if the registration has expired.
>
> Again I agree we all need to do this, but I don't think a person is
> immediately screwed forever if they happen to miss the date. Of course they
> would be grounded until all the paperwork is current again. And at some
> point (90 days?) after expiration, yes I would expect the FAA to just cancel
> a registration, assuming that aircraft is no longer flying
>
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--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up on registration information |
On 02:52 PM 9/10/2010, Richard Girard wrote:
>Bob, First of all you keep mentioning form 8050-88. This is not the form in question.
8050-88 is used to register experimental amateur built aircraft. It is
form 8050-88A that is used for light sport aircraft.
Yes, but same thing... the 8050-88 or 8050-88A is only used during the "initial"
registration process
When you "re register" your plane with this new 3 year thing, you do not use that
form. Agreed?
It would appear that if you miss the magic deadline, you still would not use that
form.. at least for some period of time. If you looked at the actual FAA web
page for this 3-year thing, you'd see this statement:
"When an aircraft is not re-registered or the registration is not renewed, the
cancellation of the N-number assigned to that aircraft will take place approximately
90 days after the expiration of an aircraft's registration. Upon cancellation,
an N-number will be unavailable for assignment or reservation for a period
of five years."
"If aircraft registration has expired and the N-number has been canceled, application
may be made to register the aircraft under 14 CFR 47.31, using the standard
application for registration and payment of the $5 registration fee. The
process to reinstate a previously registered aircraft remains unchanged."
From this, I deduce that you should certainly re-register before 90 days is up.
The second paragraph gives you a method to re-register your aircraft, if you
missed the magic deadline. None of these talk about requiring a new 8050-88A.
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Bob Comperini
e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
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