---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/10/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:40 AM - electric fuel pump AD (Kevin Klinefelter) 2. 06:28 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Roger Lee) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: electric fuel pump AD (Roger Lee) 4. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: electric fuel pump AD (paul wilson) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard) 6. 11:56 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Bob Comperini) 7. 01:42 PM - Re: electric fuel pump AD (Roger Lee) 8. 02:56 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Richard Girard) 9. 03:10 PM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Bob Comperini) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:32 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: RotaxEngines-List: electric fuel pump AD AD issued on electric fuel pumps The FAA issued an airworthiness directive on Sept. 8 requiring the inspection/replacement of electric fuel pumps on Bombardier-Rotax 912 F series and 912 S series reciprocating engines. The FAA determined that excessive fuel pressure could create a deviation in the fuel supply, resulting in engine malfunction or fuel leakage. Engines utilizing the pumps are commonly installed in Diamond aircraft, as well as others, the FAA said. As of the effective date of the AD, owners must remove, and are prohibited from installing, fuel pumps with part numbers 892230, 892232, 892235, 892236, 892540, or 892545, at the next maintenance or within the next 25 hours of engine operation, whichever occurs first. The FAA estimates that 0.5 hours of work will be required for compliance. Required parts will cost about $650. For more information, download the AD. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:50 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Follow up on registration information From: "Roger Lee" Hi Rick, I agree whole heartedly that the bottom line no matter what category you are in within the aviation world is don't play with these people because they hold all the cards. Loosing your registration along with all the other repercussions of loosing it will be the biggest headache you ever had. It's easy enough to do and it's for a good cause and let's hope it works as well as the FAA thinks it will. So for me it's get'er done and move on. This way I can cut back on the Ibuprofen. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312019#312019 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:22 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: electric fuel pump AD From: "Roger Lee" These engines are the certified versions, that's why the FAA has issued an AD. Rotax had previously issued an SB on pumps for everyone else quite some time ago. They had many of us replace our fuel pumps. This is why you should set up your fuel pump in parallel instead of series. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312020#312020 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:02 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: electric fuel pump AD Roger, Any chance this pump is the Facet a lot of us are using? Thanks, Paul === At 07:33 AM 9/10/2010, you wrote: > >These engines are the certified versions, that's why the FAA has >issued an AD. Rotax had previously issued an SB on pumps for >everyone else quite some time ago. They had many of us replace our >fuel pumps. This is why you should set up your fuel pump in parallel >instead of series. > >-------- >Roger Lee >Tucson, Az. >Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated >Rotax Repair Center >520-574-1080 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312020#312020 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Girard Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS required. If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration process over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration cannot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A. Rick On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Bob Comperini wrote: > No. I disagree. I allege thato the 8050-88 is not used again. That is not a > "registration application". > > -- > Bob Comperini > > > On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > True. My point is, if you fail to re-register, this is the paperwork that > will make it impossible to get back in. > > Rick > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Bob Comperini < > bob@fly-ul.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Richard Girard < >> aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Now you can see why failing to re-register your E-LSA is fatal. Form >> 8050-88A has been revised and now only offers two options, that the aircraft >> meets FAR 21.190, or FAR 21.191 i (2). >> >> Rick Girard >> >> >> That form is for initial airworthiness but I don't think it's >> used for the three year renewals. >> >> * >> >> >> 3D======================================= >> 3D==== >> > >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > > * > > * > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Follow up on registration information From: Bob Comperini On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS r equired. > If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration pro cess over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration cann ot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A. > > Rick Hi Rick. Yes we all agree that people need to re-register But if you do hap pen to let the registration lapse, I don't think the process is same as the " initial" registration which did require that 8050-88 form. That's all I was s aying. When you sell a plane you don't need the 88 form since registration a lready exists. Normally it's the 8050-1 that is used to apply for registrati on. I suspect some new version of the -1 form will be used for this 3 year r e-registration. If you miss the date, the registration and N-numbers are sti ll yours....at least for some amount of time. If you look at the FAA website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_r egistry/) you will see that indeed they have come up with a new version of t he 8050-1. There is no mention of the 8050-88, and there is mention of how t o re-register if the registration has expired. Again I agree we all need to do this, but I don't think a person is immediat ely screwed forever if they happen to miss the date. Of course they would be grounded until all the paperwork is current again. And at some point (90 da ys?) after expiration, yes I would expect the FAA to just cancel a registrat ion, assuming that aircraft is no longer flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:59 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: electric fuel pump AD From: "Roger Lee" Hi Paul, Yes the Facet pump is the most common here in the US. I'm sure there may be others. Everyone should have checked the Rotax SB and then your pump serial number to see if you were in the recall bunch. There were a lot of them. Rotax has said when they come out with items like this only about 5%-10% take advantage of a new item offered or most don't ever read the SB's. My new Rotax pump was free so it was just the labor to put it on and I had that part covered. [Laughing] If you have an electric pump in series it really would be better in parallel or just don't run it unless there is a real need, like your engine is dying or sputtering. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312060#312060 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Follow up on registration information From: Richard Girard Bob, First of all you keep mentioning form 8050-88. This is not the form in question. 8050-88 is used to register experimental amateur built aircraft. It is form 8050-88A that is used for light sport aircraft. It is an Affidavit of Ownership and must be notarized and sent in WITH 8050-1 to complete the registration process. 8050-88A has, as I've previously stated, has been revised and now only offers two methods to registration, through FAR 21.190 or FAR 21.191 i(2). If you don't meet those requirements you cannot get a registration as an E-LSA. You are free to believe anything you want, but a quick call to the Light Sport Branch will get you the same answer I got. If you fail to re-register your Experimental Light Sport Aircraft by the deadline on the form you are sent, there is no path back at this time. Hopefully the EAA can work with the feds to make a method available, but right now there is not. Rick Girard On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Bob Comperini wrote: > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Bob, Reread the FAA requirements for an initial registration, 8050-88A IS > required. > If you fail to re-register on time, you have to start the registration > process over and those who used the FAR 21.191 i (1) route to registration > cannot meet the 21.191 i (2) or 21.190 requirements of 8050-88A. > > Rick* > * > > > Hi Rick. Yes we all agree that people need to re-register But if you do > happen to let the registration lapse, I don't think the process is same as > the "initial" registration which did require that 8050-88 form. That's all I > was saying. When you sell a plane you don't need the 88 form since > registration already exists. Normally it's the 8050-1 that is used to apply > for registration. I suspect some new version of the -1 form will be used for > this 3 year re-registration. If you miss the date, the registration and > N-numbers are still yours....at least for some amount of time. If you look > at the FAA website ( > http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/) > you will see that indeed they have come up with a new version of the 8050-1. > There is no mention of the 8050-88, and there is mention of how to > re-register if the registration has expired. > > Again I agree we all need to do this, but I don't think a person is > immediately screwed forever if they happen to miss the date. Of course they > would be grounded until all the paperwork is current again. And at some > point (90 days?) after expiration, yes I would expect the FAA to just cancel > a registration, assuming that aircraft is no longer flying > > * > > > = > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:57 PM PST US From: Bob Comperini Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Follow up on registration information On 02:52 PM 9/10/2010, Richard Girard wrote: >Bob, First of all you keep mentioning form 8050-88. This is not the form in question. 8050-88 is used to register experimental amateur built aircraft. It is form 8050-88A that is used for light sport aircraft. Yes, but same thing... the 8050-88 or 8050-88A is only used during the "initial" registration process When you "re register" your plane with this new 3 year thing, you do not use that form. Agreed? It would appear that if you miss the magic deadline, you still would not use that form.. at least for some period of time. If you looked at the actual FAA web page for this 3-year thing, you'd see this statement: "When an aircraft is not re-registered or the registration is not renewed, the cancellation of the N-number assigned to that aircraft will take place approximately 90 days after the expiration of an aircraft's registration. Upon cancellation, an N-number will be unavailable for assignment or reservation for a period of five years." "If aircraft registration has expired and the N-number has been canceled, application may be made to register the aircraft under 14 CFR 47.31, using the standard application for registration and payment of the $5 registration fee. The process to reinstate a previously registered aircraft remains unchanged." From this, I deduce that you should certainly re-register before 90 days is up. The second paragraph gives you a method to re-register your aircraft, if you missed the magic deadline. None of these talk about requiring a new 8050-88A. -- Bob Comperini e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.