---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/14/10: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - Re: Follow up on registration information (Thom Riddle) 2. 12:07 PM - Re-registration and E-LSA (Lanny Fetterman) 3. 04:33 PM - Re-registration schedule (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:10 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Follow up on registration information From: "Thom Riddle" I am coming to this discussion a bit late but will add my little bit to it. 1st) I agree that we should all conform to the FAA's requirements fore re-new-ing our current registrations (not re-registering, or applying for a new registration) in a timely manner. If we do that, then all the What-If questions are moot. 2nd) It appears that some are confusing the Airworthiness Certificate with the Registration certificate. 3rd)The registration certificate merely identifies the current owner of an aircraft. None of the registration certificates I've had over the years have any information other than the owner's name, address, the registration number (N-number), manufacturer, model, serial number of the aircraft, ICAO number and the issue date. There is nothing on the registration certificate itself that even says it is in airplane or powered parachute or whatever! 4th) The Airworthiness Certificate tells us what sort of aircraft it is which in some ways tells the world how it can be used (or not) and how it must be maintained and inspected. White A/W certificates are for standard category and pink are for all others. These A/W certificates identify the aircraft by registration number (N-number), make and model, serial number and category, plus date of issuance. It does not list DIRECTLY the name of the owner or any other information that identifies the owner. That information is only referenced via the N-number field. 5th) The A/W certificate is generally issued once and only once shortly after the aircraft is manufactured or in the case of fat UL conversions, when it officially becomes an aircraft. It is transfered with the aircraft from owner to owner. I have a scanned image of the old Piper Cherokee I once was part owner of. The issue date on that A/W certificate is 11/14/75 which is when the FAA blessed it as legal to fly. It is the same piece of paper that has gone from owner to owner of that airplane over the last 35 years and nothing on it has changed in that time. In Summary: - The A/W certificate is what tells us what sort of aircraft it is and thereby lets the world know by what standards it must be operated and maintained. - The Registration certificate tells the world who is the current owner of the aircraft. - The FAA wants to make sure that they know who currently owns each of the aircraft registered in the USA and purge their files of old and erroneous data, and cover their costs of doing so with new registration fees. That is all they are doing with the new process. No changes in the A/W certificates or certification process here. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312388#312388 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:37 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re-registration and E-LSA When I hear re-registration will cost $5.00 I think, fine, sounds reasonable to up date the FAA records. Then, when I hear it may go up to $45.00 or higher, I think they are just trying to produce revenue, after they have accomplished their original goal. Only time will tell, what the fee will become. Oh well, if I have 20 years of flying left, I will only have to renew six times. Lanny N598LF ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:37 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re-registration schedule From: Richard Girard While the link on the notice I posted last week didn't work, Carol Carpente r of Rainbow Aviation was able to find it. Here's the official blurb from the FAA and the schedule. *WASHINGTON, D.C.* ' In an effort to create a more accurate aircraft registration database, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is requiring re-registration of all civil aircraft over the next three years and renewal every three years after that. The rule establishes specific expiration dates over a three-year period for all aircraft registered before Oct. 1, 2010, and requires re-registration o f those aircraft according to a specific schedule. All aircraft registration certificates issued on or after Oct. 1, 2010 will be good for three years with the expiration date clearly shown. =93These improvements will give us more up-to-date registration data and better information about the state of the aviation industry,=94 said FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt. Current regulations require owners to report the sale of an aircraft, the scrapping or destruction of an aircraft, or a change in mailing address, bu t many owners have not complied with those requirements. Re-registration of all U.S. civil aircraft by Dec. 31, 2013 will enhance th e database with current data derived from recent contact with aircraft owners .. The new regulations also will ensure that aircraft owners give the FAA fres h information at least once every three years when they renew their registration. The FAA will cancel the N-numbers of aircraft that are not re-registered or renewed. The schedule for re-registration and registration expiration is: Re-registration and registration expirationCertificate issued (Any year)Certificate expiresRe-registration requiredMarchMarch 31, 2011Nov. 1, 2010'Jan. 31, 2 011 AprilJune 30, 2011Feb. 1'April 30, 2011MaySept. 30, 2011May 1' July 31, 2011 JuneDec. 31, 2011Aug. 1' Oct. 31, 2011JulyMarch 31, 2012Nov. 1, 2011'Ja n. 31, 2012AugustJune 30, 2012Feb. 1' April 30, 2012SeptemberSept. 30, 2012M ay 1' July 31, 2012OctoberDec. 31, 2012Aug. 1' Oct. 31, 2012NovemberMarch 31, 2013Nov. 1, 2012'Jan. 31, 2013DecemberJune 30, 2013Feb. 1' April 30, 20 13 JanuarySept. 30, 2013May 1' July 31, 2013FebruaryDec. 31, 2013Aug. 1' O ct. 31, 2013 The final rule can be found at: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-17572.htm So, check your information online at FAA.gov so you know that it's all current and get the date of issuance for your registration and you will kno w when to start looking for your re-registration letter in the mail. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. 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