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1. 12:07 AM - Re: Re: Mixed a few cups of green antifreeze into orange in a pinch (PHILLIPS I)
2. 08:32 AM - 912 mechanical pump - fuel lift on vacuum side (lucien)
3. 09:00 AM - Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Tucsonchris)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Silvano Gai)
5. 10:00 AM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Blumax008@aol.com)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Les Goldner)
7. 10:56 AM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Blumax008@aol.com)
9. 12:02 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Ivan)
10. 12:05 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Ivan)
11. 12:47 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Dave G)
12. 02:08 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (FLYaDIVE)
13. 02:40 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Ron Steele)
14. 02:45 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Noel Loveys)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
16. 04:10 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (lucien)
17. 04:36 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Pete Christensen)
18. 04:47 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (Ivan)
19. 06:31 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (FLYaDIVE)
20. 07:33 PM - Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... (chris davis)
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| Subject: | Re: Mixed a few cups of green antifreeze into |
orange in a pinch
Hi Carl
I have used an automotive type tester similar to this
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-an-Auto-Radiator-Pressure-Tester/
But it wouldn=92t be difficult to make your own, A rubber plug to go into t
he
expansion bottle instead of the radiator cap, Use a conventional tubeless
tyre valve screwed/bonded into the plug,
Then apply pressure using a foot pump with gauge, bring the pressure up to
just slightly more than your cap release pressure, check for leaks,
If you haven=92t the spring loaded hose clamps then I would change them, Th
e
early Jubilee clips were a source of weepage also I would change the rubber
hoses for quality silicone,
ivor
On 13 October 2010 06:45, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> A better way to find the leak is to get a bottle of phosphorescent dye ma
de
> for just this kind of leak detection. I used it on my 582 system and it
> worked like a charm. All you need is an ultraviolet bulb for a drop light
> and a dark hangar and you'll find your leak in no time. I found the dye a
t
> O'reilly's Auto Supply. It was about $5.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, cschmokel <cschmokel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>> Called a guy at Lockwood and he said the same thing. No big deal, just
>> flush at soonest convenience. As to why it needs topping off .. I repla
ced
>> the sprag clutch on my 912 last Winter and I'm slowly weeping fluid.
>> Haven't been able to nail it down. I think it may be the pump housing
.. I
>> occasionally see just a little bit of moisture down there, but I could n
ever
>> be too sure since it is one of the lowest points on the engine and could
>> just be dripping from higher up. I talked to a guy at the airport who u
sed
>> to own a Kitfox 4 with a 912 and he says he was never able to nail down
>> every radiator leak in his plane. With all the hoses, something is boun
d to
>> leak, so he says.
>>
>> How do you recommend pressure testing the radiator?
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| Subject: | 912 mechanical pump - fuel lift on vacuum side |
Hi all,
Does anyone know if there's a limit on the 912 mechanical fuel pump in terms of
how far it's permitted to lift fuel? I.e. how far below the level of the pump
the fuel level is permitted to be and still be able to lift fuel and provide
adequate fuel pressure?
I looked in the installation and heavy maint. manuals and couldn't find a spec
for this.
I'm just kicking some ideas around on my fuel system in my titan. The fuel level
gets pretty low below the pump at half a tank and below (about 2 feet maybe
more) and I'm just curious how close to the edge that is (i.e. without a boost
pump).
Thanks,
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315567#315567
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
Be careful
-- Silvano
On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
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>
> Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
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> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked
the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pilot@ip6.com writes:
--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Silvano Gai <pilot@ip6.com>
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
Be careful
-- Silvano
On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
"Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa@qwest.net>
>
> Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
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| Subject: | Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
I don't think that this is an appropriate forum for your political views
Silvano. but wasn't it the previous administration that approved ethanol?
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Blumax008@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the
country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pilot@ip6.com writes:
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
Be careful
-- Silvano
On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
"Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa@qwest.net>
>
> Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.h
tml?x=0
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315567#315567
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Yes it was! and they wrecked the economy too with bank bail outs =0Asorry f
or being OT but couldn't resist it! I am UK btw=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0AFrom: Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.
com>=0ATo: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2
010 18:19:58=0ASubject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting u
sed to 10% =0Aethanol...=0A=0A =0AI don=99t think that this is an app
ropriate forum for your political views =0ASilvano but wasn
=99t it the previous administration that approved ethanol?=0A =0AFrom:owner
-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0ABlumax008@aol.com=0ASent: Wednesday,
October 13, 2010 9:56 AM=0ATo: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: R
e: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10% =0Aethanol...
=0A =0ASilvano...Me too! Engine failures.=0A =0AThey're not going to be hap
py until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the =0Acountry. Nov. 2nd. Don'
t forget.=0A =0ANOVEMBER SECOND!
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
I'm so glad that $800 billion dollar Stimulus plan worked out so well.
Let's have another! Let's give Pelosi & Reid another 6 years! We can be
another Sudan or Somalia before you know it & not have to register our ai
rcraft
because we won't have any! Hooray!
Remember...Obama in '12! Another winner!
Just think...Free drinking water! Free car washes!
Our Air Force will stand ready to defend us at all costs!
Your children can get jobs like this guy holding up this roof!
AND BEST OF ALL...NO MORE PAYING FOR GARBAGE PICK UP!
YES, BY ALL MEANS, VOTE FOR OBAMA, PELOSI & REID!
In a message dated 10/13/2010 1:56:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
grahamsingleton@btinternet.com writes:
Yes it was! and they wrecked the economy too with bank bail outs
sorry for being OT but couldn't resist it! I am UK btw
Graham
____________________________________
From: Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 18:19:58
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
I don=99t think that this is an appropriate forum for your politica
l views
Silvano but wasn=99t it the previous administration that ap
proved ethanol?
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blumax
008@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked
the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Thanks guys for setting things straight. I was going to say something
but figured there is no sense responding to someone who trades sharing
flying expertise for their political agenda.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Yes it was! and they wrecked the economy too with bank bail outs
sorry for being OT but couldn't resist it! I am UK btw
Graham
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From: Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 18:19:58
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
I don=99t think that this is an appropriate forum for your
political views Silvano but wasn=99t it the previous
administration that approved ethanol?
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Blumax008@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
No the previous administration did not approve alcohol. Even though he
is an alcoholic, he claimed to have gone dry during his reign. LOL
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
I don't think that this is an appropriate forum for your political
views Silvano. but wasn't it the previous administration that approved
ethanol?
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Blumax008@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pilot@ip6.com writes:
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft
that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
Be careful
-- Silvano
On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
"Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa@qwest.net>
>
> Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-121089553
6.html?x=0
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315567#315567
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Ok, that's a little rich. The republicans played this same game,in fact
they started it. If you all vote those clowns back in, nothing in terms
of this food to fuel bull will change.
I see absolutely no change in the lifestyle of appearance of the US
under the Democrats instead of the Republicans except Fox News is
outraged instead of supportive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Blumax008@aol.com
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Blue:
You are 1000% correct.
There IS a consperancy.
Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend, maybe
to the summer six months away. When the government makes plans they think
10, 20 & 30 years down the road.
Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he HATES
General Aviation. He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but had a hard
time of it. So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is: Take a long time
to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the auto gas AND this makes
the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to fight head-on.
The populous that fly will slowly diminish the big originations (AOPA &
EAA) will
NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT! GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and GOOD
BY EXPERIMENTAL.
There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.
Barry
PS:
This started with Clinton.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008@aol.com> wrote:
> Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
>
> They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the
> country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
>
> NOVEMBER SECOND!
>
> In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pilot@ip6.com writes:
>
>
>
> I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
> has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
>
> Be careful
>
> -- Silvano
>
> On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
> > --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Tucsonchris"<
> gallchrisa@qwest.net>
> >
> > Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
> >
> >
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
You guys REALLY need to stop drinking so much tea.
This (ethanol subsides and related BS) started in 1978 and Reagan and
Bush I were supporters.
That conservative mouthpiece, the Washington Post, has come out against
the subsidies that make this nonsense not just possible but inevitable.
Likewise the environment movement has pretty much rejected the idea as
worthless
Without the subsidies, again, supported by Reagan and Bush, there would
little to no ethanol in mogas because it wouldn't pay the refiners to
put it there. Just maybe if the GOP and their pet think tanks would
allow election reform to happen, then Congress couldn't be bought (so
easily) by the cooperations that are propagating the BS.
This is not a political forum so I've already said too much. But this
misinformation has to be responded to.
Ron
On 10/13/2010 05:05 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Blue:
>
> You are 1000% correct.
>
> There IS a consperancy.
>
> Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend,
> maybe to the summer six months away. When the government makes plans
> they think 10, 20 & 30 years down the road.
>
> Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he
> HATES General Aviation. He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but
> had a hard time of it. So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is:
> Take a long time to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the
> auto gas AND this makes the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to
> fight head-on. The populous that fly will slowly diminish the
> big originations (AOPA & EAA) will
> NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT! GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and
> GOOD BY EXPERIMENTAL.
>
> There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.
>
> Barry
>
> PS:
> This started with Clinton.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008@aol.com
> <mailto:Blumax008@aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
> They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
> wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
> NOVEMBER SECOND!
> In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pilot@ip6.com <mailto:pilot@ip6.com> writes:
>
> <pilot@ip6.com <mailto:pilot@ip6.com>>
>
>
> I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite
> aircraft that
> has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
>
> Be careful
>
> -- Silvano
>
> On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
> > --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
> "Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa@qwest.net <mailto:gallchrisa@qwest.net>>
> >
> > Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
> >
> >
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
O% would be sensible.
Noel
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Tucsonchris
Sent: October 13, 2010 1:28 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
<gallchrisa@qwest.net>
Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.h
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
You haven't said too much Ron, these things need to be said=0AGraham=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ron Steele <rsteele@rjsit
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
What's so funny about this is ethanol is _not_ a renewable fuel because it's not
(self) sustainable. It requires a lot of petroleum to produce and in fact increases
our dependence on petroleum.
Apart from that, concerning E15, I think and hope that it'll be simply another
choice along with E10. If that's the case, we should be ok as long as E10 is still
available.
If however they just force all gas to be E15, well, Rotax will be right back at
square one having to test it and go through the whole process again.....
Maybe by then an unleaded avgas will have been approved and start showing up at
airports?
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
That's why I "wash" my gas to remove ethanol.
Pete
On 10/13/2010 11:28 AM, Silvano Gai wrote:
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> I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft
> that has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
>
> Be careful
>
> -- Silvano
>
> On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
>> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
I would assume in the composite Aircraft Manual it specifies what to and not
to use. This is obviously not a Rotax issue but an airframe issue. If it
is a wet wing sometimes the tank uses a flocculant agent which is not
compatible with ethanol. My aircraft manual specifically stated this.
Always pays to read the aircraft manual carefully.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Just when you were getting used to 10%
ethanol...
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
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> That's why I "wash" my gas to remove ethanol.
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> Pete
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> On 10/13/2010 11:28 AM, Silvano Gai wrote:
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>> I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
>> has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
>>
>> Be careful
>>
>> -- Silvano
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>> On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
>>> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... |
Ron:
Why did it start?
It is a case of 'one hand washes the other' - It is a case of government
contracts going to the big companies - Boeing - Rockwell - Lear Sigler, etc.
and where are they located? On the East Coast - On the West Coast and in
the Texas Area. SOOooo when a bill came up in congress and the Senators in
these three areas wanted the Senators of the middle states to vote for the
bill, the Mid-State Senators said: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME?
HMmmmm Good question.... AHhhhhh we will subsidize your CORN GROWING....
GEEeeeeee How are you going to do that?
EASY! We will get the EPA to SAY.... SAY WITH OUT PROOF... Or did you
forget about the attempted bill/proposal that REQUIRED the EPA to PROVE what
they say? Guess you DID! REMEMBER MTBE, the Un-Tested, Un-Proven and
Un-Substantiated additive that was to reduce emission, improve air quality
AND in the first advertising - Improve your gas mileage? Well, REMEMBER what
it DID DO? It polluted the ground water... It has a molecule so small that
it penetrated right through the concrete pads of the gas station, it reduced
your gas mileage by 10%, it was making people SICK... Especially the gas
station attendants that worked with it all day & night long with it.
The illegal immigrant gas station attendants - That went to hospitals and
put a further strain on MY (I don't know about your) Insurance rates. All
this because there ARE NO checks and balances and stupid statements made by
the EPA are accepted WITHOUT ANY PROOF. So maybe you should put down the
tequila and start tea toting so you can get your brain wrapped around what
is REALLY happening.
STOP with the single minded rhetoric and REALIZE what BIG GOVERNMENT (no
party alignment) is doing to YOU. I know you don't understand what it
is doing to the NATION.
Now, care to PROVE your statements? Mine are proven - we don't have MTBE
any more do we!
Barry
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Ron Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
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> You guys REALLY need to stop drinking so much tea.
>
> This (ethanol subsides and related BS) started in 1978 and Reagan and Bush
> I were supporters.
> That conservative mouthpiece, the Washington Post, has come out against the
> subsidies that make this nonsense not just possible but inevitable.
> Likewise the environment movement has pretty much rejected the idea as
> worthless
>
> Without the subsidies, again, supported by Reagan and Bush, there would
> little to no ethanol in mogas because it wouldn't pay the refiners to put it
> there. Just maybe if the GOP and their pet think tanks would allow election
> reform to happen, then Congress couldn't be bought (so easily) by the
> cooperations that are propagating the BS.
>
> This is not a political forum so I've already said too much. But this
> misinformation has to be responded to.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 10/13/2010 05:05 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
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>> Blue:
>>
>> You are 1000% correct.
>>
>> There IS a consperancy.
>>
>> Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend,
>> maybe to the summer six months away. When the government makes plans they
>> think 10, 20 & 30 years down the road.
>>
>> Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he HATES
>> General Aviation. He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but had a hard
>> time of it. So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is: Take a long time
>> to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the auto gas AND this makes
>> the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to fight head-on. The populous
>> that fly will slowly diminish the big originations (AOPA & EAA) will
>> NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT! GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and
>> GOOD BY EXPERIMENTAL.
>>
>> There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> PS:
>> This started with Clinton.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008@aol.com <mailto:
>> Blumax008@aol.com>> wrote:
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>> Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
>> They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
>> wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
>> NOVEMBER SECOND!
>> In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> pilot@ip6.com <mailto:pilot@ip6.com> writes:
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>> <pilot@ip6.com <mailto:pilot@ip6.com>>
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>> I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite
>> aircraft that
>> has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.
>>
>> Be careful
>>
>> -- Silvano
>>
>> On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
>> > --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by:
>> "Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa@qwest.net <mailto:gallchrisa@qwest.net>>
>>
>> >
>> > Wonder what Rotax will say about this----
>> >
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>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0
>> >
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please take this non rotax-- crap off the matronics rotax engine list ,
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