---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/04/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - Re: The morgans (Thom Riddle) 2. 10:42 AM - Restarting a Stored 912ul (Ron Hoyt) 3. 02:22 PM - Re: Restarting a Stored 912ul (Richard Girard) 4. 02:27 PM - Re: Restarting a Stored 912ul (Richard Girard) 5. 03:50 PM - Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit (John Fasching) 6. 06:53 PM - Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit (FLYaDIVE) 7. 07:11 PM - Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit (Roger Lee) 8. 07:11 PM - Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit (Ivan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:34 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: The morgans From: "Thom Riddle" Nothing like that received by me, unless it is in my Gmail spam filter, which I quit reviewing several years ago because it works so well. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318109#318109 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:53 AM PST US From: Ron Hoyt Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Restarting a Stored 912ul The engine ran fine when it was removed from the aircraft. It was prepared for storage according to Rotax operating instructions about 4 years ago. I can't get it to restart when remounted on an aircraft. There is fuel in the float bowls. The A and B mag switches ground the mag circuits at the junction on the engine. The starter provides 250 rpm and maximum fuel pressure around 5 psi. The throttle is at minimum and the choke is on maximum. The carburetor throats are dry after cranking the engine enough to get 50 psi of oil pressure. (The filters were removed) I would like to verify that the ignition is working before I rebuild the carburetors. Is there a safe/recommended way (Propeller avoidance) to verify the spark at the plugs? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Restarting a Stored 912ul From: Richard Girard Ron, Yes there is. Get an inline ignition spark checker and plug it into a spark plug wire between the wire and the plug. The checker has a nice bright light and is easy to see in all but the brightest mid day sun. Harbor Freight has them (pn 36258) as does Sears, Snap On, Matco, etc. HF sells them for about $3. Snap on for about $20. The rest are some place in between. Rick Girard On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ron Hoyt wrote: > > The engine ran fine when it was removed from the aircraft. It was prepared > for storage according to Rotax operating instructions about 4 years ago. I > can't get it to restart when remounted on an aircraft. > > There is fuel in the float bowls. The A and B mag switches ground the mag > circuits at the junction on the engine. The starter provides 250 rpm and > maximum fuel pressure around 5 psi. The throttle is at minimum and the choke > is on maximum. > > The carburetor throats are dry after cranking the engine enough to get 50 > psi of oil pressure. (The filters were removed) > > I would like to verify that the ignition is working before I rebuild the > carburetors. Is there a safe/recommended way (Propeller avoidance) to > verify the spark at the plugs? > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Restarting a Stored 912ul From: Richard Girard Dang, hit the send button while my brain was in neutral. I did my 582 up with misting oil and followed the directions for all the rest. The idle passages in the carbs still plugged up with gelled fuel. Once they were cleaned out the engine started and idled like a champ. Rick On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Ron, Yes there is. Get an inline ignition spark checker and plug it into a > spark plug wire between the wire and the plug. The checker has a nice bright > light and is easy to see in all but the brightest mid day sun. Harbor > Freight has them (pn 36258) as does Sears, Snap On, Matco, etc. HF sells > them for about $3. Snap on for about $20. The rest are some place in > between. > > Rick Girard > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ron Hoyt wrote: > >> >> The engine ran fine when it was removed from the aircraft. It was prepared >> for storage according to Rotax operating instructions about 4 years ago. I >> can't get it to restart when remounted on an aircraft. >> >> There is fuel in the float bowls. The A and B mag switches ground the mag >> circuits at the junction on the engine. The starter provides 250 rpm and >> maximum fuel pressure around 5 psi. The throttle is at minimum and the choke >> is on maximum. >> >> The carburetor throats are dry after cranking the engine enough to get 50 >> psi of oil pressure. (The filters were removed) >> >> I would like to verify that the ignition is working before I rebuild the >> carburetors. Is there a safe/recommended way (Propeller avoidance) to >> verify the spark at the plugs? >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:57 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit Here is my opinion. I just received an oil pressure sender remoting kit for my Rotax 912ULS. It came but there's no sender...just a few nuts, screws, a small piece of braided "wire" and a clamp for a sender, but no sender. It does have a braded tube to connect the engine's outlet to the remoted sender. But for $75 is gets my rating as as "rip off." Unless you have so much money that you don't care what things cost, I'd recommend you look elsewhere. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit From: FLYaDIVE Ya know John, I think you are 100% correct! I have been reading here on the Rotax group for about three months and I'm leaning more and more away from a Rotax. There seams to be so many issues and Service Bulletins. I know they call Lycoming, Lysorius and I even call them Lie-Coming. But it really looks like the O-235 has it all over the Rotax. Too bad they are not water cooled. Years ago before I had a need for a Rotax type engine everyone was singing their praise. Now the company has reached the same cost stage and lack of quality stage as Lie-Coming. And it sure looks like they are pricing themselves out of the market or at least trying to equal a market that is quite over priced. There is a business saying that seams to fit: "What got you hear won't keep you here." I'm still going to stick with this group because I want to learn a few things. Or is it because everyone stops to watch an accident in slow motion. Barry On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:48 PM, John Fasching wrote: > Here is my opinion. I just received an oil pressure sender remoting kit > for my Rotax 912ULS. It came but there's no sender...just a few nuts, > screws, a small piece of braided "wire" and a clamp for a sender, but no > sender. It does have a braded tube to connect the engine's outlet to the > remoted sender. But for $75 is gets my rating as as "rip off." Unless you > have so much money that you don't care what things cost, I'd recommend you > look elsewhere. > > > * > > -- Barry "Chop'd Liver" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:29 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit From: "Roger Lee" Every engine company has SB's and the Rotax is no exception, but Rotax is usually proactive and not reactive like others. They also cover their parts if need be. They have a tremendous track record that Lycoming and Continental don't have on an engine by engine basis and if maintained as per Rotax could out live its owner. I have friends with experimental's that have over 3000 hrs and have never done a thing to the engine. Can't do that very well with either of the others especially if you use 100LL. With the shear number of engines produced every year by Rotax it is no wonder they have become a world leader in light aircraft engine manufacturing. Even the new twin engine Tecnam uses 2 Rotax engines and that plane is a $450K plane. Why didn't Tecnam pick a Continental or a Lycoming. Why are most light aircraft Mfg's around the world going to and using Rotax. I don't think I would sell them too short. Rotax have been building the 912 series engine since late 1989 and has boomed over the other engine Mfg's. That didn't happen because they make a bad engine. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318203#318203 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:40 PM PST US From: "Ivan" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit Used to have a Rotax 912 and 582. I got tired of the voluminous SB (lots of them to CYA) which caused us to have work done by a repairman who had to purchase Rotax brand parts. The price started to jump so much, and in my opinion the documentation was so poor not giving good diagrams nor instructions, that my Cessna friend said I would not pay those prices. I switched to an australian engine and enjoy it, its reliability (as is the Rotax), and its economical operation. That was one of the reasons why when I considered an S-LSA i purposely did not want to get involved with Rotax again. I was also unhappy with their support. I have been happy with my alternative decision for the past 3.5 yrs and 273 hrs. Just my opinion what worked for me, Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: FLYaDIVE To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit Ya know John, I think you are 100% correct! I have been reading here on the Rotax group for about three months and I'm leaning more and more away from a Rotax. There seams to be so many issues and Service Bulletins. I know they call Lycoming, Lysorius and I even call them Lie-Coming. But it really looks like the O-235 has it all over the Rotax. Too bad they are not water cooled. Years ago before I had a need for a Rotax type engine everyone was singing their praise. Now the company has reached the same cost stage and lack of quality stage as Lie-Coming. And it sure looks like they are pricing themselves out of the market or at least trying to equal a market that is quite over priced. There is a business saying that seams to fit: "What got you hear won't keep you here." I'm still going to stick with this group because I want to learn a few things. Or is it because everyone stops to watch an accident in slow motion. Barry On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:48 PM, John Fasching wrote: Here is my opinion. I just received an oil pressure sender remoting kit for my Rotax 912ULS. It came but there's no sender...just a few nuts, screws, a small piece of braided "wire" and a clamp for a sender, but no sender. It does have a braded tube to connect the engine's outlet to the remoted sender. But for $75 is gets my rating as as "rip off." 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