---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/08/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada (MacDonald Doug) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: flying in Mexico (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:04 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Catz631@aol.com) 4. 05:42 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 05:56 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Bob Comperini) 6. 06:18 AM - Re: flying in Mexico (Roger Lee) 7. 06:29 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Roger Lee) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Robert Borger) 9. 09:46 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Bob Comperini) 10. 09:53 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Roger Lee) 11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Robert Borger) 12. 11:25 AM - Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin (Richard Girard) 13. 04:26 PM - Re: flying in Mexico (dave) 14. 05:49 PM - VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation (John Fasching) 15. 07:25 PM - Re: VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation (Richard Girard) 16. 07:35 PM - New oil pressure regulator installation (Paul Kuntz) 17. 08:15 PM - Re: flying in Mexico (Roger Lee) 18. 08:20 PM - Re: VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation (Roger Lee) 19. 08:26 PM - Re: New oil pressure regulator installation (Roger Lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:05 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada My understanding about opperation of LSAs in Canadian airspace is that you must have a private pilots license and a catagory three medical. Then you print off the permission form just like an (Experimental)Amateur Built plane and carry that with you. Back when LSAs first came about, the powers that be at Transport Canada said they were never going to allow pilots to fly without some kind of medical here in Canada. The last time I heard them speak on the subject they said something more like, "We're waiting to see how well it works in the US." That being said, it will likely still be many years before anything happens with allowing Sport Pilot licenses to fly in Canada with a dirver's license medical. Tranpost Canada is running pretty lean these days and they have far bigger fish to fry. Doug MacDonald CH-701 C-GBQX Fort Frances, ON, Canada Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:46 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: flying in Mexico From: "Thom Riddle" "You can fly into Canada with an LSA, too. It's not tied to plane so much as it is your license." Roger, For an American pilot to fly into Canada (and land) s/he must have a Private or higher pilot certificate with current FAA medical. His aircraft must have a 406Mhz ELT and 12" high registration letters, and a FCC radio license. All ICAO requirements. Although Canada has a couple "less than private" pilot certificates (including ultralight and advanced ultralight) none of them are equivalent to the USA Sport Pilot Certificate (please don't call them LSA licenses). That is why they do not yet recognize the Sport Pilot Certificate as valid for entry into Canada. Also, the pilot must register with the eAPIS system (applies to both Canada and Mexico) and provide details of who is crossing the border, which port of entry, and when the flight is planned for. This must be done about two hours (I think) of the actual border crossing. I have no idea how well Mexico enforces their regulations but am certain that Transport Canada does each and every time an aircraft crosses from the USA. Bottom line, at least with Canada, is there is more to it than your description makes it sound. It is not that big a deal as long as the US Pilot and his aircraft qualify but there are rules that must be followed and Canada enforces them. If you are flying through Canada airspace with no intention of landing, then the same rules apply except for the port of entry thing. However, the pilot and aircraft must be on a VFR or IFR flight plan when crossing the border and throughout the flight while in Canadian airspace and be in radio contact with Transport Canada. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318557#318557 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:49 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin Pete, I agree with LS. Check that sender. Mine was bad and a new one gave me 10 lbs more oil pressure over the entire range. I checked the old one with my air compressor gage(unscientific) but it too showed the sender was10 lbs off. I have had no change in oil pressure since I started using Sport plus when it first came out.Tis a great oil I believe. Dick Maddux 912UL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:10 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin I highly recommend this change for all 912 users. Whether you qualify for the extra TBO on your engine or not this is a very worth while change. It takes all of ten minutes and parts are about $80. The parts are the cap screw 841-983, spring 838-122 and oil pressure regulator cone 857-230. The oil pressure regulator cone (or mushroom as some call it) replaces the ball bearing. It not only raises the oil pressure, but makes it more stable. Roger, Do you have to purge if you open up this air hole ? I wouldn't think so ...but you are opening the system. I would think it would be like changing the filter. I have been thinking of doing this on my old engine Dick Maddux 912Ul ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:18 AM PST US From: Bob Comperini Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin On 05:11 AM 11/8/2010, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > > I highly recommend this change for all 912 users. I agree! My engine's TBO was raised by installing this kit, and even though it would be several years before it mattered (because I'm no where near TBO time), I decided to install the kit anyway, to get it over with. Yes, oil pressure appears to be just a little higher, and the biggest benefit I've seen is that it appears to be much more stable. Heck, it took more time to remove the lower cowling to access this area, than it took to install the kit. No purge needed. -- Bob Comperini e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:36 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: flying in Mexico From: "Roger Lee" Hi All, Sorry, I need to eat my words on the Canada LSA license part. You are right about the PPL requirement for the LSA to cross over for Canada, but the LSA plane can with a pilot and his PPL. The Bahamas and Mexico still don't require a PPL and an LSA license pilot with a third class medical can still fly in these two. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318570#318570 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:53 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin From: "Roger Lee" Hi Dick, No oil purge necessary for just these parts. You will loose .5-1 oz. of oil. It is a quick change. Just unscrew the old cap screw and have the new one in the other hand. Some oil will drool out. Drop the old cap screw and spring on the ground and the little ball bearing will come out on its own. Just make sure it did fall out so watch for it. Then immediately put the new parts in place. The new parts will stay together as a unit in the other hand. No need to try to put them in separately. It just takes a few seconds to actually swap the parts once the cap screw is loose. This is a worth while part change for all 912's whether you get the extended TBO or not. Bob's right, it takes longer to remove the cowl than swap the parts. p.s. Make sure you safety wire the cap screw when you are done. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318571#318571 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin From: Robert Borger Roger, Are these parts applicable/worthwhile for the 914? Been appreciating your knowledgable input on the forum, BTW. Thanks, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046 Europa Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:27, Roger Lee wrote: > > Hi Dick, > > No oil purge necessary for just these parts. You will loose .5-1 oz. of oil. It is a quick change. Just unscrew the old cap screw and have the new one in the other hand. Some oil will drool out. Drop the old cap screw and spring on the ground and the little ball bearing will come out on its own. Just make sure it did fall out so watch for it. Then immediately put the new parts in place. The new parts will stay together as a unit in the other hand. No need to try to put them in separately. It just takes a few seconds to actually swap the parts once the cap screw is loose. This is a worth while part change for all 912's whether you get the extended TBO or not. > Bob's right, it takes longer to remove the cowl than swap the parts. > > p.s. > Make sure you safety wire the cap screw when you are done. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Repair Center > Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST > Cell 520349-7056 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318571#318571 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:14 AM PST US From: Bob Comperini Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin On 05:51 AM 11/8/2010, Bob Comperini wrote: >On 05:11 AM 11/8/2010, Catz631@aol.com wrote: >> >> I highly recommend this change for all 912 users. I forgot to mention one thing in my original "I agree" post... it occurs to me that Rotax probably doesn't just "re-design" a part (like the oil regulator assembly) for no reason. They must have discovered that this new regulator assembly is superior to the old one. So, just for that reason alone, I believe its worthwhile to make the change even if you don't care about the TBO increase benefit. -- Bob Comperini e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:08 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin From: "Roger Lee" Hi Bob, Yes they are applicable for the 914. Some of the newer 914's can get an increase in the TBO just like the 912's if they meet the requirements of the 914 SB service bulletin. Some with older engines will not, but will benefit with the new oil pressure parts. Knowing what I know I would change the parts for my engine even if it did not qualify. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318592#318592 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin From: Robert Borger Roger, Aircraft is down for work anyway, so this is a good time to do it. I'll order the parts today. Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046 Europa Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:50, Roger Lee wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Yes they are applicable for the 914. Some of the newer 914's can get an increase in the TBO just like the 912's if they meet the requirements of the 914 SB service bulletin. Some with older engines will not, but will benefit with the new oil pressure parts. Knowing what I know I would change the parts for my engine even if it did not qualify. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Repair Center > Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST > Cell 520349-7056 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Shell Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 - thin From: Richard Girard Bob, Keep in mind that Rotax builds engines for many different applications besides aircraft. It's just as likely that the "improvement" was to reduce the inventory count among several engine lines by having a common oil pressure relief valve piston. Wouldn't it be interesting if this same part set could be had from your local Harley Davidson / Buell dealer for $20. Rick Girard On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Bob Comperini wrote: > > On 05:51 AM 11/8/2010, Bob Comperini wrote: > >On 05:11 AM 11/8/2010, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> I highly recommend this change for all 912 users. > > I forgot to mention one thing in my original "I agree" post... it occurs to > me that Rotax probably doesn't just "re-design" a part (like the oil > regulator assembly) for no reason. They must have discovered that this new > regulator assembly is superior to the old one. So, just for that reason > alone, I believe its worthwhile to make the change even if you don't care > about the TBO increase benefit. > > -- > Bob Comperini > e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com > WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:53 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: flying in Mexico From: "dave" Roger Lee wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry, I need to eat my words on the Canada LSA license part. You are right about the PPL requirement for the LSA to cross over for Canada, but the LSA plane can with a pilot and his PPL. The Bahamas and Mexico still don't require a PPL and an LSA license pilot with a third class medical can still fly in these two. Roger, You do not need a PPL or higher to fly in Canada for US guys. You need a Avaition medical which I suppose that you could get with a LSA ticket. But that is why is was created so that people can fly before they become unfit in the case that they do. I cannot see Canada backing off as if they did then they would have to reduce the requirements for us. Cheers and how do you like your crow :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318621#318621 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:30 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RotaxEngines-List: VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation I am installing as VDO remoted oil pressure sender in a 912ULS and wonder if air in the line from the engine over to the firewall-mounted VDO sender is going to be a problem. I suppose I could try to somehow fill that line with oil, but even then inevitably there would be some air. Is this a problem? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation From: Richard Girard John, If you can reach the sender easily after it is mounted on the firewall, just leave the line fitting at the sender a turn or so loose and turn the engine over a few times by hand to bleed the air out of the line and then finish tighten the fitting. I've never done it on a Rotax, but the technique works on the remote pressure gauge on my Harley engine. Rick Girard On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:46 PM, John Fasching wrote: > I am installing as VDO remoted oil pressure sender in a 912ULS and wonder > if air in the line from the engine over to the firewall-mounted VDO sender > is going to be a problem. I suppose I could try to somehow fill that line > with oil, but even then inevitably there would be some air. Is this a > problem? > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:51 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: New oil pressure regulator installation From: Paul Kuntz Roger, The Rotax Illustrated Parts Catalog shows a shim between the spring and the cap screw. Does that shim need to be retained when replacing the other parts of the regulator assembly? Thanks, Paul Kuntz ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:14 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: flying in Mexico From: "Roger Lee" Hi Dave, Crow is ok with me so long as it isn't over cooked and has a touch of BBQ sauce. I like it slightly on the rare side. [Laughing] If you have never had crow then you must not be human. [Shocked] That's why we are all here to add to our mental file cabinet. I learn something everyday even though it may be worthless at times. Kind of like, coconuts have 11 stages of development. Eat more beef! [Wink] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318644#318644 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:34 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: VDO Oil Pressure Sender Installation From: "Roger Lee" Hi John, Before you actually finish the job and mount the sender on the firewall, just hold the line up at least to the gearbox level and pour a little oil down the line to fill it. Then screw the sender on the fitting. The very small amount of air, if any, in the line won't make any difference. I have done several of these and have never had an issue this way and you will sleep a little better that night too. [Wink] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318646#318646 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:23 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: New oil pressure regulator installation From: "Roger Lee" Hi Paul, That shim is not a stock installed factory part. It is only there if you need to raise the oil pressure because of a weak spring. It raises it about 7-9 psi. It will not be in your engine unless you put it there. And never put a shim in there without first using a mechanical gauge to double check the pressure against what you think is a low pressure from the gauge in the cockpit. You could easily go above max oil pressure and the gauge in the cockpit would be lying to you. It is better to have quantity than just pressure for our engine so long as it is within parameters. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. 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