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3. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada (FLYaDIVE)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada (Thom Riddle)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into Canada (Ken Ryan)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada (FLYaDIVE)
7. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into Canada (Ivan)
8. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into Canada |
Up here in the Great White North we have a what's called a Catagory 4 medical.
It is a form that you can download from Trnsport Canada that lists several serious
imparments to flying. Things like heart attacks, insulin dependant diabetis,
head injuries, etc.
For our Ultralight permit you look at the list and if you don't have any of them
you sign the form and send it in (with the appropriate fee) and you get the
Cat 4 medical. This Cat 4 medical only allows you to fly solo or with another
pilot in a Canadian ultralight (essentially ELSA).
Now if you want to carry passenger, you take the same form to your family doctor
and get him to sign that he agrees that you don't have any of the listed conditions
and then you have a "Doctors Coutersigned Cat 4 Medical". This is used
for our Ultralight passenger rating and for our Recreational Permit which is
vaugly similar to the US Sport Pilot license but with a much higher max weight
limit.
If by some chance you do have any of the listed medical issues, it is still possible
to get a medical however that becomes special issue medical and is a bit
more involved.
If you really want to fly in Canada as a US Lic Private Pilot and don't want to
get an FAA medical, our Cat 3 medical is much less stressful than the US equivelent.
I have a friend who has taken both medical checks. He was worried about
being able to renew his US medical but laughed about it once he converted
over to his Canadian license.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
CH-701 C-GBQX
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> Time: 07:59:41 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA
> into Canada
> From: Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com>
>
> Noel,
>
> Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that
> American LSA pilots
> "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we
> do and pay their
> $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what
> you are saying or
> how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and
> would love to be
> able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a
> medical because if
> I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be
> eligibile to fly
> even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada |
Barry,
Which Port of Entry did you use in Canada and what documentation were you asked
for when you landed there?
The nearest point of entry for me would be St. Catherine's, Ontario (CYSN).
I was subject to an FAA ramp check once in 2004 in Hays, Kansas after upon at night.
All they wanted to see were the AROW documents of the airplane.
Thom in Buffalo
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318961#318961
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada |
Hello Thom:
I did not say I landed in Canada. I did fly their airspace and did cross
their lands.
Here is a reprint of my email:
Flying into Canadian air space is NOT an issue. I have done it when flying
to OSH.
Even landing at a controlled airport in Canada for gas is not an issue.
No special permits required.
It only becomes an issue if you land at a non-towered airport or you wish t
o
stay there and leave the immediate vicinity of your plane.
Then you have to have all your paper work in order and
SOME Canadian officials still want you to have a Radio Station License.
Easiest way is to File a Flight Plan.
I was in contact with Canadian ATC and during a lull in operations asked
them all these questions. They were very helpful and not the least bit
concerned.
=======================
Thank God I never had a ramp check - But you are correct in the USA AROW is
what is required. In Canada ARROW is required. You can apply for a Radio
Station license through the FCC, I think the cost is $8 or $20. BUT! Try
to figure out the New Easy FCC web site... Bureaucratic Bull Shit!
I just renewed my Amateur Radio Operators License, which is a FREE
renewal... After spending a hour on the FCC site I gave up and used a
renewal site that charges $8. THAT WAS EASY!
Since you are planing to land and stay for a while you will also need
a Customs Permit.That costs $50. But, they will never ask for it. :-)
Hey Funny Story:
This did not happen to me but it is a true story and I'm making it short.
A Group I belong to has conventions every year. At the convention there ar
e
different contests. One being a BOMB DROP. The bomb consists of a small
paper bag half filled with lime, there are two bombs and two bomb runs.
The paper bag is bio-degradable and the lime will help grass grow. Well,
this
fellow hit the bulls eye on his first run and never dropped #2. He was
flying back home and the course took him into Canada for fuel. As he
crossed Lake Erie (I think) he remember he had the #2 bomb aboard. No Big
Deal you say? Just think of how it would look or how to explain to the
authorities, a bag filled with two pounds of White Powder! ! !
Barry
PS
I like your choice of quote. :-)
2010 at 7:48 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
m
> >
>
> Barry,
>
> Which Port of Entry did you use in Canada and what documentation were you
> asked for when you landed there?
>
> The nearest point of entry for me would be St. Catherine's, Ontario (CYSN
).
>
> I was subject to an FAA ramp check once in 2004 in Hays, Kansas after upo
n
> at night. All they wanted to see were the AROW documents of the airplane.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada |
Barry,
Sorry for the confusion on my part.
But I'm still curious about what sort of documentation TC inspects for an FAA certificated
pilot entering Canada. Probably depends upon which port of entry and
what the individual TC employee is interested in.
Thom
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318967#318967
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into |
Canada
Thanks Doug,
That was very helpful.
Ken Ryan
Anchorage, Alaska
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:40 AM, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> Up here in the Great White North we have a what's called a Catagory 4
> medical. It is a form that you can download from Trnsport Canada that lists
> several serious imparments to flying. Things like heart attacks, insulin
> dependant diabetis, head injuries, etc.
>
> For our Ultralight permit you look at the list and if you don't have any of
> them you sign the form and send it in (with the appropriate fee) and you get
> the Cat 4 medical. This Cat 4 medical only allows you to fly solo or with
> another pilot in a Canadian ultralight (essentially ELSA).
>
> Now if you want to carry passenger, you take the same form to your family
> doctor and get him to sign that he agrees that you don't have any of the
> listed conditions and then you have a "Doctors Coutersigned Cat 4 Medical".
> This is used for our Ultralight passenger rating and for our Recreational
> Permit which is vaugly similar to the US Sport Pilot license but with a much
> higher max weight limit.
>
> If by some chance you do have any of the listed medical issues, it is still
> possible to get a medical however that becomes special issue medical and is
> a bit more involved.
>
> If you really want to fly in Canada as a US Lic Private Pilot and don't
> want to get an FAA medical, our Cat 3 medical is much less stressful than
> the US equivelent. I have a friend who has taken both medical checks. He
> was worried about being able to renew his US medical but laughed about it
> once he converted over to his Canadian license.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> NW Ontario, Canada
> CH-701 C-GBQX
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> > Time: 07:59:41 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA
> > into Canada
> > From: Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com>
> >
> > Noel,
> >
> > Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that
> > American LSA pilots
> > "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we
> > do and pay their
> > $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what
> > you are saying or
> > how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and
> > would love to be
> > able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a
> > medical because if
> > I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be
> > eligibile to fly
> > even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada |
Thom:
I would contact the AOPA, I'm sure they have answered this question a few
times.
*Barry*
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into |
Canada
This form is the most stupid medically incompetant form I have ever seen.
Many one time or temporary conditions are mentioned which dont really have
any bearing on flying competancy. ie: kidney stones LOL Much like the 3rd
class medical in the Us both are a joke. In the US you cant take certain
meds which reduce your risk factors down to that of the normal population
but you can fly with drugs ie Viagra which impairs one's vision. Many other
examples can be sited in both medicals. So what else is new, certainly
cant assume legislation is backed up by intelligence.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:40 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: Flying LSAs into
Canada
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Up here in the Great White North we have a what's called a Catagory 4
medical. It is a form that you can download from Trnsport Canada that lists
several serious imparments to flying. Things like heart attacks, insulin
dependant diabetis, head injuries, etc.
For our Ultralight permit you look at the list and if you don't have any of
them you sign the form and send it in (with the appropriate fee) and you get
the Cat 4 medical. This Cat 4 medical only allows you to fly solo or with
another pilot in a Canadian ultralight (essentially ELSA).
Now if you want to carry passenger, you take the same form to your family
doctor and get him to sign that he agrees that you don't have any of the
listed conditions and then you have a "Doctors Coutersigned Cat 4 Medical".
This is used for our Ultralight passenger rating and for our Recreational
Permit which is vaugly similar to the US Sport Pilot license but with a much
higher max weight limit.
If by some chance you do have any of the listed medical issues, it is still
possible to get a medical however that becomes special issue medical and is
a bit more involved.
If you really want to fly in Canada as a US Lic Private Pilot and don't want
to get an FAA medical, our Cat 3 medical is much less stressful than the US
equivelent. I have a friend who has taken both medical checks. He was
worried about being able to renew his US medical but laughed about it once
he converted over to his Canadian license.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
CH-701 C-GBQX
Do Not Archive
> Time: 07:59:41 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA
> into Canada
> From: Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com>
>
> Noel,
>
> Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that
> American LSA pilots
> "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we
> do and pay their
> $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what
> you are saying or
> how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and
> would love to be
> able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a
> medical because if
> I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be
> eligibile to fly
> even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.
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| Subject: | Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada |
My understanding of it is TC (Transport Canada) is balking at the drivers
license medical... So just get the same medical that Canadian RPP and ULPP
fly with. It's a medical declaration with a whole bunch of check off boxes.
If you are older than 45 then a GP has to sign it off and also the same GP
has to sign off an EKG. Registration for the medical is $50 CDN every two
years.
Noel
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ryan
Sent: November 10, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada
Noel,
Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that American LSA pilots
"should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their
$50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what you are saying or
how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and would love to be
able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a medical because if
I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be eligibile to fly
even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to
fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license. The reason for that is
then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian
pilots. Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the
provinces, I can't see that ever happening.
What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out
the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration
fee... Then enjoy!
Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem
because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the
regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA. Perhaps the
FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with
an appropriate fee of course.
I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding
my breath.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacDonald
Doug
Sent: November 8, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
My understanding about opperation of LSAs in Canadian airspace is that you
must have a private pilots license and a catagory three medical. Then you
print off the permission form just like an (Experimental)Amateur Built plane
and carry that with you.
Back when LSAs first came about, the powers that be at Transport Canada said
they were never going to allow pilots to fly without some kind of medical
here in Canada. The last time I heard them speak on the subject they said
something more like, "We're waiting to see how well it works in the US."
That being said, it will likely still be many years before anything happens
with allowing Sport Pilot licenses to fly in Canada with a dirver's license
medical. Tranpost Canada is running pretty lean these days and they have
far bigger fish to fry.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 C-GBQX
Fort Frances, ON, Canada
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