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1. 01:08 AM - rotax 914 power with altitude (ndibiase)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle)
3. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Gordon)
4. 06:05 AM - filling aircraft fuel tanks (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle)
6. 06:33 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Roger Lee)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: rotax 914 power with altitude (rampil)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle)
10. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Robert D. Taylor)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Richard Girard)
12. 08:30 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle)
13. 08:31 AM - Follow the Spot Tracker Flight (Roger Lee)
14. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Robert D. Taylor)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan)
16. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan)
17. 09:00 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Roger Lee)
18. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Craig Payne)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: rotax 914 power with altitude (ndibiase)
20. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Richard Girard)
21. 01:01 PM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle)
22. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (John Fasching)
23. 01:56 PM - Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") (Craig Payne)
24. 06:21 PM - Re: Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") (bjones@dmv.com)
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| Subject: | rotax 914 power with altitude |
It seems to be an evident contradiction between :
- rotax 914 brochure claim (e.g. http://www.lockwood-aviation.com/Four_stroke.htm page 6 ) where it is showed a definite power loss with altitude, even before 16000 feet. This brochure is consistent with performance table on 914 operator engine manual (page 40)
- easa type certificate for this engine that states at page 6 that maximum continuous
performance up to critical altitude of 16000 feet is 100 HP (73,5 kW).
Someone has information on this question ?
Nicola di Biase
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
I have a 15 gallon translucent tank, from US PLastics,
http://tinyurl.com/2adnce3
strapped to a hand-truck. I pump the fuel from this tank to the aircraft fuel tank
with a hand cranked pump from Harbor Freight
http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html
plus tubing and a PVC pipe to make the tanks easy to fill from the floor. I fill
the 15 gallon tank from 5 gallon jerry cans using a jiggle siphon hose.
It sounds like extra work but it is quick and has several advantages over just
filling the a/c tank directly from the jerry cans.
1) I always have plenty of fuel available when I need to top off even if I forget
to buy fuel on the way to the airport.
2) Precision filling is easy. 16 cranks per gallon -sounds slow but it is not.
3) There is no mess or heavy lifting.
4) I share a hangar with another airplane and we both use this community tank,
logging fuel added and subtracted so we know who owns the fuel in the fueler tank.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen! These cast iron barrel pumps are
not designed to dispense gasoline. Might want to read the bold print on the
first page of the manual.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
> <riddletr@gmail.com>
>
> I have a 15 gallon translucent tank, from US PLastics,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2adnce3
>
> strapped to a hand-truck. I pump the fuel from this tank to the aircraft
> fuel tank with a hand cranked pump from Harbor Freight
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html
>
> plus tubing and a PVC pipe to make the tanks easy to fill from the floor.
> I fill the 15 gallon tank from 5 gallon jerry cans using a jiggle siphon
> hose.
>
> It sounds like extra work but it is quick and has several advantages over
> just filling the a/c tank directly from the jerry cans.
> 1) I always have plenty of fuel available when I need to top off even if I
> forget to buy fuel on the way to the airport.
> 2) Precision filling is easy. 16 cranks per gallon -sounds slow but it is
> not.
> 3) There is no mess or heavy lifting.
> 4) I share a hangar with another airplane and we both use this community
> tank, logging fuel added and subtracted so we know who owns the fuel in
> the fueler tank.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.?
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319556#319556
>
>
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| Subject: | filling aircraft fuel tanks |
Howard ,
I use a fuel bowser I ordered from Northern Hydraulics (different name now
I think) It holds 30 gal and has a hand pump. I have used it for over 6
years now,works great. The bowser is made by Handy Corp. I also spliced the
fuel line coming from the bowser and installed a metal fuel filter from NAPA
and always fill the bowser thru one of those"water catching" filters. It is
much easier syphoning fuel into the bowser from 5 gal cans and using it rather
then trying to use a ladder on a high wing aircraft with the 5 gal cans.
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
(http://www.mile-x.com/images/products/detail/hgc30.jpg)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Gordon,
Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did not have
the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corrosive petroleum
based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a replacement pump.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Hi All,
I use a 30 gallon HazMat rated 1Y1 barrel $50. It can handle anything and never
seems to rust. It has been in operation for 4 years. I have a gasoline approved
UL rated 12V electric pump from Northern Tool $199. The pump has an in line
fuel filter. You can also get a flow meter for this, but I did not care to have
it. The pump has a 10' hose and regular fuel dispensing nozzle. This makes
any kind of fueling on any plane a snap and spill free. I have a 12V sealed deep
cycle battery and a rolling cart from Harbor Freight. The barrel and setup
can be bonded to the plane with a wire and the cart/barrel can be grounded to
my hanger which is very well grounded. I just take out some 5 gal. cans when I
need fuel and just dump it in the barrel. I never put so much fuel in that I
can't use it within 4 weeks. I fly often enough that is never a problem.
p.s.
Being a retired firefighter I always have extinguishers at hand on both sides of
the hanger. Even if I never fueled there I would have the extinguishers.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 914 power with altitude |
The 914 is rated at 115 to start
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
=C2- Thom- The ad says it's suitable for "fuel".=C2- We used a similar
pump for methanol at work.
=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Windsor Locks, Ct.
--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
Gordon,
Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did no
t have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corro
sive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a repl
acement pump.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
=9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=9D
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Bill,
Yes, but the current manual says specifically that it is not to be used with gasoline
or diesel. I presume the reason is that the body is cast iron and the internal
components are steel, there is a remote chance that a spark could occur
and ruin your day. I've used this one for more than a year and it seals fine
and works well, but I'm not willing to count on it once I read the warning.
Fortunately, Harbor Freight has a plastic one rated for gasoline etc. for $26 which
I will be buying very soon.
http://www.harborfreight.com/general-purpose-barrel-pump-66335.html
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Thom,
These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped fluid.
The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means they do
not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene and diesel
fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery. You could use
this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you are pumping your
fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK. If not, then the
seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last as long. I do not
think it presents any kind of explosive hazard.
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
N657RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
> <riddletr@gmail.com>
>
> Gordon,
>
> Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did
> not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with
> non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look
> for a replacement pump.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.?
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Thom, At 9 oz per stroke, that's 70 strokes for 5 gallons which might lead
to one big stroke by the time you get the plane fueled. :-}
Rick Girard
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Robert D. Taylor <FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com>wrot
e:
> FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com>
>
> Thom,
>
> These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped fluid.
> The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means they do
> not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene and dies
el
> fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery. You could u
se
> this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you are pumping your
> fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK. If not, then the
> seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last as long. I do not
> think it presents any kind of explosive hazard.
>
> Bob Taylor
> Wadsworth, Ohio
> N657RT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
>
>
>> riddletr@gmail.com>
>>
>> Gordon,
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did
>> not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with
>> non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll loo
k
>> for a replacement pump.
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>>
>>
>> =C3=A2?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=C3=A2?=C5=A5
>>
>> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
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to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Rick,
It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not.
The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which is 80 revs
per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./second (about
normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5 gallons. It is
not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun intended). Far weaker
is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, who also uses this pump for his
Sonex and he is 73 years old.
The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which has three
positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick from high volume,
high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume with medium effort.
I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz position but don't
expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, back it goes.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Follow the Spot Tracker Flight |
Hi All,
For those of you on line today you can follow a friend of mine flying from Bisbee,
AZ to Corning, CA live. It will take him about 7 hours total time.
He is in flight as I type this message. Just click on the link below. It is in
real time within 10 minutes. This is done with the Spot 2 Tracker. Let's family
and friends and the WIFE know where your at and if you are ok.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0qvvNclNhjEqYVq4G9piLqngR0uboKroM
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
And those strokes will be considerable slower than what you have now.
I'd stay with what you've got. Matter of fact, I'm going to get one of
my own.
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
N657RT
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
Thom, At 9 oz per stroke, that's 70 strokes for 5 gallons which might
lead to one big stroke by the time you get the plane fueled. :-}
Rick Girard
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Robert D. Taylor
<FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com> wrote:
<FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com>
Thom,
These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped
fluid. The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means
they do not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene
and diesel fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery.
You could use this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you
are pumping your fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK.
If not, then the seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last
as long. I do not think it presents any kind of explosive hazard.
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
N657RT
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle"
<riddletr@gmail.com>
To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
<riddletr@gmail.com>
Gordon,
Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I
bought did not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for
use with non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part.
I'll look for a replacement pump.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
=C3=A2?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own
facts.=C3=A2?=C5=A5
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
=C2- Thom- I have used the pump type, too.=C2- Watch out for leaks at t
he upper seal on the piston.=C2- We also used a 12V electric pump with a
small, gas station type nozzle.=C2- Worked quite nicely for diesel.=C2-
Never tried it on gas.
=C2-
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Windsor Locks, Ct.
--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
Rick,
It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not.
The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which is
80 revs per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./second
(about normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5 gal
lons. It is not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun intended)
. Far weaker is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, who also uses
this pump for his Sonex and he is 73 years old.
The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which has
three positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick from
high volume, high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume with
medium effort. I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz posi
tion but don't expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, back it
goes.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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=C2- Thom- I never used a plastic one.=C2- I would be concerned with gr
ounding, no matter the type.=C2- And the mention of a non-lubricating flu
id makes sense.=C2- Methanol used to leak a lot.
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From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
Bill,
Yes, but the current manual says specifically that it is not to be used wit
h gasoline or diesel. I presume the reason is that the body is cast iron an
d the internal components are steel, there is a remote chance that a spark
could occur and ruin your day. I've used this one for more than a year and
it seals fine and works well, but I'm not willing to count on it once I rea
d the warning.
Fortunately, Harbor Freight has a plastic one rated for gasoline etc. for $
26 which I will be buying very soon.
http://www.harborfreight.com/general-purpose-barrel-pump-66335.html
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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Not very many pumps are rated for gasoline. You must get one that specifies it
is rated for gasoline use. If it says diesel it is not rated for gasoline. If
it is not rated for gas then seals will eventually leak. I looked for a while
before I found a UL rated gasoline pump. My 12V gasoline rated pump fuels at 13
gal per min. It has been a great pump for 4 years so far and not one issue.
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Rotax Repair Center
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To add to this the description of the tank says "Not for fuels or oils". I'm not
sure if the problem is real or not.
-- Craig
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure
Gordon,
Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did not have
the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corrosive petroleum
based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a replacement pump.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 914 power with altitude |
rampil wrote:
> The 914 is rated at 115 to start
on rotax 914 115 HP is peak power (not continuous , only allowed for 5 minutes
under some other restriction).
100 HP is max sustainable continuous power.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
I've had something similar for the Blitz gas cans. Gets real old pumping
something up and down, rotary motion is far easier. In the end that was wha
t
led me to make the Shuttle fueling tower so I could just pour fuel without
all the obstruction of wings, struts and such. Much easier and faster.
Going out to saw material for the front mount blocks. Sunny and 60's on the
great plains today. Can't fly, might as well machine something.
Rick
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >
>
> Rick,
>
> It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not.
>
> The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which i
s
> 80 revs per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./seco
nd
> (about normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5
> gallons. It is not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun
> intended). Far weaker is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, wh
o
> also uses this pump for his Sonex and he is 73 years old.
>
> The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which ha
s
> three positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick fr
om
> high volume, high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume wit
h
> medium effort. I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz
> position but don't expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, ba
ck
> it goes.
>
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> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319580#319580
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
Craig,
High density polyethylene, the material my tank is made from, is the same stuff
that the red plastic jerry cans are made from. I also checked with the manufacturer
before purchasing and they confirmed they are fine for gasoline. So far,
over a year experience with it has shown no problems, no discoloration, nothing.
It sure seems impervious to gasoline to me.
Rick,
I agree that in principle that cranking a full rev can be easier than operating
a lever because the mechanical advantage is probably higher. But the crank type
is so easy that a little harder should not be too bad. I bought one today and
will be installing and trying it out on Thursday.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure |
I purchased two 7.5 gallon 'cans' for the FLO FAST pump... one minute of
cranking and 5 gallons is put out through a rather long hose and up into the
RV-12 filler 'hole.' No lifting. Smooth and convenient....fill up at the
auto gas station, and crank the handle to deliver into the plane. Hose is
long enough for a high wing plane also. I am quite happy with the Flo Fast
'system.' As I recall the two containers plus the hand pump ran around
$250...I could be a bit off on that tho'
FWIW
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| Subject: | Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") |
Pegasus Racing sells the Fast Flo pump system and 5 and 15 gallon jugs. So
far I have bought just the 5 gallon jugs because I don't want to lift the 15
gallon ones in and out of my car. Details at the link below. Also look at
the bottom of the catalog page for the Facet electric fuel transfer pump.
But it only does a gallon a minute while the Fast Flo claims 5 GPM:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/2010/052.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") |
Some years ago a bunch of us fueled our Mooneys, Cessnas and Pipers at our
remote grass strip using okd but cleaned up (read free) 30 and 55 gallon
drums.
We drilled a hole in the large bung hole plug that screws into the top of
the drums and installed a metal tire valve.
We installed a pressure regulator on a portable air tank to feed maybe
three psi into the drum which forced the fuel out thru a hose (with built
in ground wire available at fuel equipment supply houses). The portable
air tank's rubber line had a clamp on connector to hold it in place on the
tire valve at the drum. At the discharge end of the hose was a regular old
style gas station fuel nozzle.
This set up allowed us to stand at the aircraft filler neck and watch the
fuel level come up to the desired level in the wing tanks while we could
check it with a calibrated dip stick.
I still use a self calibrated dip stick to measure the fuel level in the 6
tanks in my Twin Comanche.
The tricky part of the rig described above was finding a fitting that
screwed snugly into the small bung opening in the top of the the drums. We
then welded a smaller diameter pipe to the bottom of that fitting. The
smaller diameter pipe was cut long enough to reach the bottom of the drum
just as the fitting at the welded end of the pipe screwed tightly into the
small drum opening. The fuel hose connected to the outer end of this
fitting.
The drum could remain strapped upright in place in our pickups while
filling it, transporting it, and fueling the plane, with no need to tip
the drum on its side to get fuel to flow thru the small bung opening into
the plane.
For several years I used this set-up to also fill boats, and other toys
and equipment, then Walmart bought our grass strip and kicked us out.
At about that time the twin came along and I got a regular 100 gallon
truck bed tank, with electric pump so I could have fuel when needed at the
next local grass strip.
BJ
N154K
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