---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/16/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - rotax 914 power with altitude (ndibiase) 2. 05:30 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Gordon) 4. 06:05 AM - filling aircraft fuel tanks (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 06:09 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle) 6. 06:33 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Roger Lee) 7. 06:49 AM - Re: rotax 914 power with altitude (rampil) 8. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan) 9. 07:55 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle) 10. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Robert D. Taylor) 11. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Richard Girard) 12. 08:30 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle) 13. 08:31 AM - Follow the Spot Tracker Flight (Roger Lee) 14. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Robert D. Taylor) 15. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan) 16. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (william sullivan) 17. 09:00 AM - Re: Oil pressure (Roger Lee) 18. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Craig Payne) 19. 12:04 PM - Re: rotax 914 power with altitude (ndibiase) 20. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (Richard Girard) 21. 01:01 PM - Re: Oil pressure (Thom Riddle) 22. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Oil pressure (John Fasching) 23. 01:56 PM - Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") (Craig Payne) 24. 06:21 PM - Re: Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") (bjones@dmv.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:35 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: rotax 914 power with altitude From: "ndibiase" It seems to be an evident contradiction between : - rotax 914 brochure claim (e.g. http://www.lockwood-aviation.com/Four_stroke.htm page 6 ) where it is showed a definite power loss with altitude, even before 16000 feet. This brochure is consistent with performance table on 914 operator engine manual (page 40) - easa type certificate for this engine that states at page 6 that maximum continuous performance up to critical altitude of 16000 feet is 100 HP (73,5 kW). Someone has information on this question ? Nicola di Biase Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319551#319551 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:23 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Thom Riddle" I have a 15 gallon translucent tank, from US PLastics, http://tinyurl.com/2adnce3 strapped to a hand-truck. I pump the fuel from this tank to the aircraft fuel tank with a hand cranked pump from Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html plus tubing and a PVC pipe to make the tanks easy to fill from the floor. I fill the 15 gallon tank from 5 gallon jerry cans using a jiggle siphon hose. It sounds like extra work but it is quick and has several advantages over just filling the a/c tank directly from the jerry cans. 1) I always have plenty of fuel available when I need to top off even if I forget to buy fuel on the way to the airport. 2) Precision filling is easy. 16 cranks per gallon -sounds slow but it is not. 3) There is no mess or heavy lifting. 4) I share a hangar with another airplane and we both use this community tank, logging fuel added and subtracted so we know who owns the fuel in the fueler tank. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319556#319556 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:53 AM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Sounds like an accident waiting to happen! These cast iron barrel pumps are not designed to dispense gasoline. Might want to read the bold print on the first page of the manual. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure > > > I have a 15 gallon translucent tank, from US PLastics, > > http://tinyurl.com/2adnce3 > > strapped to a hand-truck. I pump the fuel from this tank to the aircraft > fuel tank with a hand cranked pump from Harbor Freight > > http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html > > plus tubing and a PVC pipe to make the tanks easy to fill from the floor. > I fill the 15 gallon tank from 5 gallon jerry cans using a jiggle siphon > hose. > > It sounds like extra work but it is quick and has several advantages over > just filling the a/c tank directly from the jerry cans. > 1) I always have plenty of fuel available when I need to top off even if I > forget to buy fuel on the way to the airport. > 2) Precision filling is easy. 16 cranks per gallon -sounds slow but it is > not. > 3) There is no mess or heavy lifting. > 4) I share a hangar with another airplane and we both use this community > tank, logging fuel added and subtracted so we know who owns the fuel in > the fueler tank. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.? > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319556#319556 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:58 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: RotaxEngines-List: filling aircraft fuel tanks Howard , I use a fuel bowser I ordered from Northern Hydraulics (different name now I think) It holds 30 gal and has a hand pump. I have used it for over 6 years now,works great. The bowser is made by Handy Corp. I also spliced the fuel line coming from the bowser and installed a metal fuel filter from NAPA and always fill the bowser thru one of those"water catching" filters. It is much easier syphoning fuel into the bowser from 5 gal cans and using it rather then trying to use a ladder on a high wing aircraft with the 5 gal cans. Dick Maddux Milton,Fl (http://www.mile-x.com/images/products/detail/hgc30.jpg) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:53 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Thom Riddle" Gordon, Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a replacement pump. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:02 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Roger Lee" Hi All, I use a 30 gallon HazMat rated 1Y1 barrel $50. It can handle anything and never seems to rust. It has been in operation for 4 years. I have a gasoline approved UL rated 12V electric pump from Northern Tool $199. The pump has an in line fuel filter. You can also get a flow meter for this, but I did not care to have it. The pump has a 10' hose and regular fuel dispensing nozzle. This makes any kind of fueling on any plane a snap and spill free. I have a 12V sealed deep cycle battery and a rolling cart from Harbor Freight. The barrel and setup can be bonded to the plane with a wire and the cart/barrel can be grounded to my hanger which is very well grounded. I just take out some 5 gal. cans when I need fuel and just dump it in the barrel. I never put so much fuel in that I can't use it within 4 weeks. I fly often enough that is never a problem. p.s. Being a retired firefighter I always have extinguishers at hand on both sides of the hanger. Even if I never fueled there I would have the extinguishers. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319562#319562 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:22 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: rotax 914 power with altitude From: "rampil" The 914 is rated at 115 to start -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319563#319563 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:42 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure =C2- Thom- The ad says it's suitable for "fuel".=C2- We used a similar pump for methanol at work. =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- Windsor Locks, Ct. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Thom Riddle wrote: From: Thom Riddle Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Gordon, Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did no t have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corro sive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a repl acement pump. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. =9D Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 h -- EE Gifts!) on om =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - List S WEB FORUMS - ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:52 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Thom Riddle" Bill, Yes, but the current manual says specifically that it is not to be used with gasoline or diesel. I presume the reason is that the body is cast iron and the internal components are steel, there is a remote chance that a spark could occur and ruin your day. I've used this one for more than a year and it seals fine and works well, but I'm not willing to count on it once I read the warning. Fortunately, Harbor Freight has a plastic one rated for gasoline etc. for $26 which I will be buying very soon. http://www.harborfreight.com/general-purpose-barrel-pump-66335.html -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319572#319572 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:14 AM PST US From: "Robert D. Taylor" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Thom, These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped fluid. The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means they do not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene and diesel fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery. You could use this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you are pumping your fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK. If not, then the seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last as long. I do not think it presents any kind of explosive hazard. Bob Taylor Wadsworth, Ohio N657RT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure > > > Gordon, > > Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did > not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with > non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look > for a replacement pump. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > ?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.? > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: Richard Girard Thom, At 9 oz per stroke, that's 70 strokes for 5 gallons which might lead to one big stroke by the time you get the plane fueled. :-} Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Robert D. Taylor wrot e: > FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com> > > Thom, > > These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped fluid. > The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means they do > not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene and dies el > fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery. You could u se > this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you are pumping your > fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK. If not, then the > seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last as long. I do not > think it presents any kind of explosive hazard. > > Bob Taylor > Wadsworth, Ohio > N657RT > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM > Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure > > >> riddletr@gmail.com> >> >> Gordon, >> >> Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did >> not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with >> non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll loo k >> for a replacement pump. >> >> >> -------- >> Thom Riddle >> Buffalo, NY (9G0) >> Kolb Slingshot SS-021 >> Jabiru 2200A #1574 >> Tennessee Prop 64x32 >> >> >> =C3=A2?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. =C3=A2?=C5=A5 >> >> Daniel Patrick Moynihan >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:09 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Thom Riddle" Rick, It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not. The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which is 80 revs per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./second (about normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5 gallons. It is not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun intended). Far weaker is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, who also uses this pump for his Sonex and he is 73 years old. The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which has three positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick from high volume, high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume with medium effort. I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz position but don't expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, back it goes. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319580#319580 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:37 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Follow the Spot Tracker Flight From: "Roger Lee" Hi All, For those of you on line today you can follow a friend of mine flying from Bisbee, AZ to Corning, CA live. It will take him about 7 hours total time. He is in flight as I type this message. Just click on the link below. It is in real time within 10 minutes. This is done with the Spot 2 Tracker. Let's family and friends and the WIFE know where your at and if you are ok. http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0qvvNclNhjEqYVq4G9piLqngR0uboKroM -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319581#319581 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:25 AM PST US From: "Robert D. Taylor" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure And those strokes will be considerable slower than what you have now. I'd stay with what you've got. Matter of fact, I'm going to get one of my own. Bob Taylor Wadsworth, Ohio N657RT ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Thom, At 9 oz per stroke, that's 70 strokes for 5 gallons which might lead to one big stroke by the time you get the plane fueled. :-} Rick Girard On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Robert D. Taylor wrote: Thom, These pumps need some sort of lubrication inherent in the pumped fluid. The fluids on the "DO NOT" list are all 'dry" fluids, which means they do not self-lubricate. Ever notice the difference between kerosene and diesel fuel? The kero is "dry", while the diesel fuel is slippery. You could use this pump to pump diesel fuel, but not the kero. If you are pumping your fuel AFTER you mix the oil into it, you should be OK. If not, then the seals and whatnot inside the pump will simply not last as long. I do not think it presents any kind of explosive hazard. Bob Taylor Wadsworth, Ohio N657RT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Gordon, Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a replacement pump. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =C3=A2?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=C3=A2?=C5=A5 Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 ========== lectric.com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ldersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com " target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ========== - nes-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List ========== MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com ========== -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:40 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure =C2- Thom- I have used the pump type, too.=C2- Watch out for leaks at t he upper seal on the piston.=C2- We also used a 12V electric pump with a small, gas station type nozzle.=C2- Worked quite nicely for diesel.=C2- Never tried it on gas. =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Windsor Locks, Ct. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Thom Riddle wrote: From: Thom Riddle Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Rick, It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not. The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which is 80 revs per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./second (about normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5 gal lons. It is not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun intended) . Far weaker is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, who also uses this pump for his Sonex and he is 73 years old. The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which has three positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick from high volume, high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume with medium effort. I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz posi tion but don't expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, back it goes. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. =9D Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319580#319580 h -- EE Gifts!) on om =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - List S WEB FORUMS - ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:32 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure =C2- Thom- I never used a plastic one.=C2- I would be concerned with gr ounding, no matter the type.=C2- And the mention of a non-lubricating flu id makes sense.=C2- Methanol used to leak a lot. --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Thom Riddle wrote: From: Thom Riddle Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Bill, Yes, but the current manual says specifically that it is not to be used wit h gasoline or diesel. I presume the reason is that the body is cast iron an d the internal components are steel, there is a remote chance that a spark could occur and ruin your day. I've used this one for more than a year and it seals fine and works well, but I'm not willing to count on it once I rea d the warning. Fortunately, Harbor Freight has a plastic one rated for gasoline etc. for $ 26 which I will be buying very soon. http://www.harborfreight.com/general-purpose-barrel-pump-66335.html -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 =9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. =9D Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319572#319572 h -- EE Gifts!) on om =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - List S WEB FORUMS - ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:49 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Roger Lee" Not very many pumps are rated for gasoline. You must get one that specifies it is rated for gasoline use. If it says diesel it is not rated for gasoline. If it is not rated for gas then seals will eventually leak. I looked for a while before I found a UL rated gasoline pump. My 12V gasoline rated pump fuels at 13 gal per min. It has been a great pump for 4 years so far and not one issue. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Repair Center Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST Cell 520349-7056 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319588#319588 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:12 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure To add to this the description of the tank says "Not for fuels or oils". I'm not sure if the problem is real or not. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure Gordon, Thanks for the heads up. The manual that came with the pump I bought did not have the "don't pump gasoline" part in it. It said for use with non-corrosive petroleum based stuff but not the do not... part. I'll look for a replacement pump. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319559#319559 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:29 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: rotax 914 power with altitude From: "ndibiase" rampil wrote: > The 914 is rated at 115 to start on rotax 914 115 HP is peak power (not continuous , only allowed for 5 minutes under some other restriction). 100 HP is max sustainable continuous power. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319611#319611 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: Richard Girard I've had something similar for the Blitz gas cans. Gets real old pumping something up and down, rotary motion is far easier. In the end that was wha t led me to make the Shuttle fueling tower so I could just pour fuel without all the obstruction of wings, struts and such. Much easier and faster. Going out to saw material for the front mount blocks. Sunny and 60's on the great plains today. Can't fly, might as well machine something. Rick On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: m > > > > Rick, > > It sounds like a lot of work but in reality is not. > > The cast iron pump I have been using is 16 revolutions per gallon which i s > 80 revs per 5 gallons. Each rev is one cup (8 fluid oz.) At one rev./seco nd > (about normal pumping rate) it takes less than 1 1/2 minutes to load 5 > gallons. It is not the least bit tiring and I'm don't pump iron (pun > intended). Far weaker is the 140 lb pilot who I share the hangar with, wh o > also uses this pump for his Sonex and he is 73 years old. > > The pump I plan to buy is not a crank type but a lever type pump which ha s > three positions for placing the fulcrum/pivot pin so the user can pick fr om > high volume, high effort, or low volume, low effort, or medium volume wit h > medium effort. I do not know which of the positions is the 9 fluid oz > position but don't expect any problem with it, but if I don't like it, ba ck > it goes. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > > =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94 > Daniel Patrick Moynihan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319580#319580 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl e to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:03 PM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure From: "Thom Riddle" Craig, High density polyethylene, the material my tank is made from, is the same stuff that the red plastic jerry cans are made from. I also checked with the manufacturer before purchasing and they confirmed they are fine for gasoline. So far, over a year experience with it has shown no problems, no discoloration, nothing. It sure seems impervious to gasoline to me. Rick, I agree that in principle that cranking a full rev can be easier than operating a lever because the mechanical advantage is probably higher. But the crank type is so easy that a little harder should not be too bad. I bought one today and will be installing and trying it out on Thursday. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319623#319623 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:29 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Oil pressure I purchased two 7.5 gallon 'cans' for the FLO FAST pump... one minute of cranking and 5 gallons is put out through a rather long hose and up into the RV-12 filler 'hole.' No lifting. Smooth and convenient....fill up at the auto gas station, and crank the handle to deliver into the plane. Hose is long enough for a high wing plane also. I am quite happy with the Flo Fast 'system.' As I recall the two containers plus the hand pump ran around $250...I could be a bit off on that tho' FWIW > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:26 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") Pegasus Racing sells the Fast Flo pump system and 5 and 15 gallon jugs. So far I have bought just the 5 gallon jugs because I don't want to lift the 15 gallon ones in and out of my car. Details at the link below. Also look at the bottom of the catalog page for the Facet electric fuel transfer pump. But it only does a gallon a minute while the Fast Flo claims 5 GPM: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/2010/052.pdf -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Fueling at the hanger (was "Oil Pressure") From: bjones@dmv.com Some years ago a bunch of us fueled our Mooneys, Cessnas and Pipers at our remote grass strip using okd but cleaned up (read free) 30 and 55 gallon drums. We drilled a hole in the large bung hole plug that screws into the top of the drums and installed a metal tire valve. We installed a pressure regulator on a portable air tank to feed maybe three psi into the drum which forced the fuel out thru a hose (with built in ground wire available at fuel equipment supply houses). The portable air tank's rubber line had a clamp on connector to hold it in place on the tire valve at the drum. At the discharge end of the hose was a regular old style gas station fuel nozzle. This set up allowed us to stand at the aircraft filler neck and watch the fuel level come up to the desired level in the wing tanks while we could check it with a calibrated dip stick. I still use a self calibrated dip stick to measure the fuel level in the 6 tanks in my Twin Comanche. The tricky part of the rig described above was finding a fitting that screwed snugly into the small bung opening in the top of the the drums. We then welded a smaller diameter pipe to the bottom of that fitting. The smaller diameter pipe was cut long enough to reach the bottom of the drum just as the fitting at the welded end of the pipe screwed tightly into the small drum opening. The fuel hose connected to the outer end of this fitting. The drum could remain strapped upright in place in our pickups while filling it, transporting it, and fueling the plane, with no need to tip the drum on its side to get fuel to flow thru the small bung opening into the plane. For several years I used this set-up to also fill boats, and other toys and equipment, then Walmart bought our grass strip and kicked us out. At about that time the twin came along and I got a regular 100 gallon truck bed tank, with electric pump so I could have fuel when needed at the next local grass strip. 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