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1. 05:07 AM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (dashwood)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (lucien)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Carlos Trigo)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (FLYaDIVE)
6. 12:30 PM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (dashwood)
7. 12:36 PM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (dashwood)
8. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Richard Girard)
10. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (FLYaDIVE)
11. 05:51 PM - Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Noel Loveys)
12. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Noel Loveys)
13. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
14. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Joel M.)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm not saying
they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its springiness
in normal service.
I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radius than
desirable
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Kolb Slingshot SS-021
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
i had the same problem. make sure the cable and linkages are all free, and carbs
are set right and all engine mounts are in good shape.. I had to change my springs
once. no biggie and not expensive. mostly did it for piece of mind. if
you think its a problem its not worth fussin about just change them.having someone
else Tell you something is good and then still worrying about it isn't worth
the stress
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
One thing I do too is store the plane with the throttles open. That releases the
tension on the springs. Does it help? Who knows, but it makes me feel a little
better anyway ;)
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
That's right Lucien, that's the right way to do it!
After the last shutdown of the day, push that throttle all the way in.
But don't forget to put a line on your check list, on the Start-up
procedure, that goes something like "Throttle - pull back to idle",
obviously before the "Start the engine" line
Carlos
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> One thing I do too is store the plane with the throttles open. That
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> tension on the springs. Does it help? Who knows, but it makes me feel a
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
Hey Guys:
I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
But the questions I have are:
1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
Barry
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm not
> saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its
> springiness in normal service.
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> I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radiu
s
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
just a question... does leavin the carbs wide open let air into the engine, good
or bad,,, and let more air into the carb chambers to allow varnishing inside
little passages.. and / or to engines exposed to the weather maybe water into
the engine///. i understand the filters are in place but i have hear of engines
being drowned in heavy rain. mostly from water saturation of the filters causing
problems though.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
quote=== I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
But the questions I have are:
1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
2 - Whatpositiondoes it return the Throttle to?
Barry
the spring is on each carb so if there is a throttle linkage problem( break or
failure of a connection) the engine goes to full power. good on takoff and landings
, not soo good at the fuel pump or near a hanger..
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
The throttle return springs pull the throttles wide open. So if the
throttle cable fails, you have lots of power instead of no power.
Kevin
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
Hey Guys:
I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
But the questions I have are:
1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
Barry
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
wrote:
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I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time.
I'm not saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to
loose its springiness in normal service.
I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter
radius than desirable
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Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
Barry, Unlike those on an automobile or other conveyance, the throttle
return spring on an aircraft is there to make sure that if the throttle
cable breaks the carb goes to wide open throttle.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
> But the questions I have are:
> 1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
> 2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
>
> Barry
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> riddletr@gmail.com>
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>> I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm no
t
>> saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its
>> springiness in normal service.
>>
>> I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radi
us
>> than desirable
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>> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>> Jabiru 2200A #1574
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
Rick:
That is the answer I was hopping to get. I do not see any reason to go the
other way.
Thanks Rick,
Barry
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Barry, Unlike those on an automobile or other conveyance, the throttle
> return spring on an aircraft is there to make sure that if the throttle
> cable breaks the carb goes to wide open throttle.
>
> Rick Girard
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> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys:
>>
>> I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
>> But the questions I have are:
>> 1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
>> 2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> riddletr@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm n
ot
>>> saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its
>>> springiness in normal service.
>>>
>>> I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter
>>> radius than desirable
>>>
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>>> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>>> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>>> Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
I always thought the springs on the 912 were set to open the throttles not
close them.
Am I wrong?
Noel
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Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
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I have a Sport Cruiser with a 912ULS engine. I noticed the other day while
doing an inspection that the throttle return springs seem to be weakening.
When the throttle is pushed to the WOT position, there seems not to be
enough pull to smartly engage the the throttle to the wide open stop. When
the plane sits idle, the throttle is closed. In this position, the springs
remain under maximum stretch tension. I am going to replace them, but was
wondering if anyone else has encountered this situation or any complications
from it.
Advance thanks for any replies.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
Then the question should be why have a spring at all... From what I see all
it does is put pressure on the throttle cables. Wouldn't it be better not
to have springs at all?
BTW the 582 with the Bing carbs will go to idle if the cable breaks
Noel
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Girard
Sent: November 18, 2010 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
Barry, Unlike those on an automobile or other conveyance, the throttle
return spring on an aircraft is there to make sure that if the throttle
cable breaks the carb goes to wide open throttle.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Guys:
I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
But the questions I have are:
1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
Barry
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm not
saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its
springiness in normal service.
I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radius
than desirable
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
These (912) carbs are constant velosity carbs and the slides are raised or
lowered by more or less vacuum. When the engine is not running=2C the slid
es are at the bottom=2C no matter where the throttel is set. Take care=2C
Jim Chuk
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
> From: dashwoodlock@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 18 Nov 2010 12:27:46 -0800
> To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
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> just a question... does leavin the carbs wide open let air into the engin
e=2C good or bad=2C=2C=2C and let more air into the carb chambers to allow
varnishing inside little passages.. and / or to engines exposed to the weat
her maybe water into the engine///. i understand the filters are in place b
ut i have hear of engines being drowned in heavy rain. mostly from water sa
turation of the filters causing problems though.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
--- On Thu, 11/18/10, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
Rick:
That is the answer I was hopping to get. =C2-I do not see any reason to g
o the other way.
Thanks Rick,Barry
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eturn spring on an aircraft is there to make sure that if the throttle cabl
e breaks the carb goes to wide open throttle.=0A
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=0A=0AHey Guys:
I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion. =C2-
=0ABut the questions I have are:1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
=0A2 - What=C2-position=C2-does it return the Throttle to?
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=0AI've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm no
t saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its sp
ringiness in normal service.
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=0AI suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radi
us than desirable
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=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021
=0AJabiru 2200A #1574
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Rick,
On some Aircraft like the Rans S-7S the springs are changed on the engine
to where the spring will pull it to idle. This is a safety feature that w
ill keep your aircraft from running away from you on the ground and causing
major destruction.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs |
Noel, You're right about the Bing 54 on the 582, a fact that keeps my cable
s
lubed and inspected to excess. Which would you rather have if a throttle
cable breaks an engine at WOT or an engine at idle. Think miles of trees
underneath you and no clearing in sight.
Jim, The throttle cable on the Bing 64 is connected to the throttle
butterfly, not the piston. The butterfly sets the throttle and the piston
does fine adjustment of the mixture my raising and lowering the jet needle
in response to atmospheric pressure.
Joel, if that was your comment in the tiny, tiny print about changing over
the throttle springs to pull the butterfly to idle, wheel chocks and
checking the throttle position before starting the engine can keep your
plane from running away. IF you're at 2000' over a forest with your wife or
child on board when a throttle cable breaks and the engine goes to idle, I
truly doubt you'll be calling that a "Safety Feature" right about then.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Then the question should be why have a spring at all... From what I see
> all it does is put pressure on the throttle cables. Wouldn=92t it be bet
ter
> not to have springs at all?
>
>
> BTW the 582 with the Bing carbs will go to idle if the cable breaks
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Girard
> *Sent:* November 18, 2010 6:59 PM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RotaxEngines-List: Re: Rotax 912 throttle return springs
>
>
> Barry, Unlike those on an automobile or other conveyance, the throttle
> return spring on an aircraft is there to make sure that if the throttle
> cable breaks the carb goes to wide open throttle.
>
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Guys:
>
>
> I know I'm late on entering this Throttle Return Spring discussion.
>
> But the questions I have are:
>
> 1 - Why is there a throttle return spring?
>
> 2 - What position does it return the Throttle to?
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
m
> >
>
> I've never seen these springs to get noticeably weaker over time. I'm not
> saying they can't but spring steel takes a VERY LONG time to loose its
> springiness in normal service.
>
> I suspect your cables might need lubrication or they have a tighter radiu
s
> than desirable
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
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