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1. 09:06 AM - FUEL TANK SEALANTS (FLYaDIVE)
2. 12:06 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Dave)
3. 12:38 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (FLYaDIVE)
4. 12:45 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Pete Christensen)
5. 02:06 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Hugh McKay)
6. 02:07 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Roger Lee)
7. 02:09 PM - 5th Annual 2011 Page, AZ Fly-In (Roger Lee)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (FLYaDIVE)
9. 02:51 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (FLYaDIVE)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Dave)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (FLYaDIVE)
12. 03:00 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Pete Christensen)
13. 03:01 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (Dave)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS (jerry evans)
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| Subject: | FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Hello Gaggle:
I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are aluminum
and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would
like a sealant that can stand up to both.
Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that is
only about 90% effective.
I would like to run straight MoGas.
Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
Thank you for the assistance.
Barry
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| Subject: | FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass BSA
tanks.
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: January-12-11 12:03 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Hello Gaggle:
I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are aluminum
and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would
like a sealant that can stand up to both.
Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that is
only about 90% effective.
I would like to run straight MoGas.
Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
Thank you for the assistance.
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Hi Dave:
I saw that one... (09-02566) Do you have any personal experience with that
product?
Barry
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass
> BSA tanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* January-12-11 12:03 PM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
>
> Hello Gaggle:
>
> I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are aluminum
> and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
> Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would
> like a sealant that can stand up to both.
> Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that
> is only about 90% effective.
> I would like to run straight MoGas.
> Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
>
> Thank you for the assistance.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Dave, I'm curious that you mentioned that removing ethanol from mogas is
only 90% effective. Have you tried it? I am experimenting with
removing ethanol from mogas and it works fine so far in my Kitfox/912.
If there is a bit of ethanol left in my gas it has not caused any
problems. There is little information out there about washing gas.
Pete
On 1/12/2011 3:03 PM, Dave wrote:
> How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass
> BSA tanks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* January-12-11 12:03 PM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
>
> Hello Gaggle:
>
> I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are
> aluminum and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
> Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I
> would like a sealant that can stand up to both.
> Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but
> that is only about 90% effective.
> I would like to run straight MoGas.
> Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
>
> Thank you for the assistance.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Dave,
What is the root cause of your aluminum tanks leaking? How old are the
tanks? Are they leaking at fabricated joints? How long have you had this
problem? The reason I ask is, I have aluminum wing tanks in my Allegro
2000 and have not had any problem with leaks since the first flight in
2007. I now have almost 500 hours on the engine and I use 93 octane
(ethanol free) fuel as well as 87 octane (10% ethanol). Is your problem
the fuel or poor fabrication of the tanks?
Hugh McKay
From: Pete Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Dave, I'm curious that you mentioned that removing ethanol from mogas is
only 90% effective. Have you tried it? I am experimenting with
removing ethanol from mogas and it works fine so far in my Kitfox/912.
If there is a bit of ethanol left in my gas it has not caused any
problems. There is little information out there about washing gas.
Pete
On 1/12/2011 3:03 PM, Dave wrote:
How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass
BSA tanks.
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[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FLYaDIVE
Sent: January-12-11 12:03 PM
To: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Hello Gaggle:
I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are
aluminum and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I
would like a sealant that can stand up to both.
Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but
that is only about 90% effective.
I would like to run straight MoGas.
Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
Thank you for the assistance.
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Kreem Weiss is a great tank coating. The entire 1500+ fleet of Flight Design CT's
has it's tanks coated with Kreem and most of us use ethanol fuels. 325 of them
here in the states. Never an ethanol issue. Some in Europe and South America
use up to 18%-23% ethanol and never have any issues. It is pretty much impervious
to anything, that's why so many people that coat tanks use it professionally.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326739#326739
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| Subject: | 5th Annual 2011 Page, AZ Fly-In |
5th Annual 2011 Page, AZ. Fly-InI
Including Lake Powell, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon, Zion, Grand Canyon, St. George,
Bullfrog Marina Resort... and more!
Make those reservations now.. More people, more planes, different flight venue,
bigger and better than last year!
The Page, AZ. Fly-In date is October 13-16, 2011
We will fly the Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Monument Valley, Zion Canyon and breakfast
at Bryce Canyon, Monument Valley, Bullfrog Marina and resort. We will also
be adding St. George this year for breakfast and adding new routes.
I managed to block off 45 rooms. We got a great rate of $49 same as last year.
I hope to have a record number of CT's and LSA aircraft for our Page Fly-In. Just
like last year make the reservations early so you don't miss out and the hotel
won't hold all 45 rooms forever.
Do not wait this year. Book it now and you can cancel up to 24 hours before Oct.
13th. Get it booked and reserved, then if you have to cancel you can, but if
you wait again then you may not be staying with the rest of us and at your own
peril for rates and possibly a different hotel. They book darn near the whole
town in October.
We have a special rate at the same place we stayed last year.
Tell them you are with the "CT Group" or Roger Lee to cross reference and the rate
is $49 a night. We will arrive Thursday morning, Oct. 13th. and head home
Oct. 16th. Sunday or Monday morning. Breakfast is free in the mornings.
I talked to the people at the Ranch House Grill and they will cater our evening
meals again. We will have evening meals together Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Rose is our contact person.
Best Western Arizona Inn
716 Rim View Dr.
Page, Az.
800-826-2718
928-645-2466
The AZ. Inn has gone completely non-smoking!
We will fly into the Page airport - KPGA.
We are staying with Classic FBO and with our group we should get a 30 cent discount
on fuel.
Classic is not the first FBO next to the runway, but the second one behind them.
The Antelope Canyon tour and the Dam tour is open if anyone wants. These are land
tours.
You guys are welcome to invite other planes that are not CT's and everyone is welcome.
Find some more LSA's.
I will develop GPS coordinates for all our routes and post them so you can enter
them in your own GPS. I have a plan to better deal with all our planes for our
flights so they are not crowded in the mornings or evenings.
Don't miss this, we always have fun.
p.s.
I would like everyone coming to shoot me an email so I can put together a roster,
make name tags and set up call signs like we did last year. If you attended
last year and we had your personal info then just say you are coming. If you
did not come last year then I would like the email to include: N#, Names of you
and co-pilot, cell phone number, city, state.
This is a big help for me to last year to organize our fly outs since we have so
many planes and gives old friends and new friends a way to contact each other
if need be.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326742#326742
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Hi Roger:
I have tried this sealant. It worked GREAT on a stationary tank. But
FAILED quickly when used on a flexible aluminum (aviation) tank and on
fiberglass tanks. The stuff dries almost stiff, not really flexible.
What might you know about:
http://www.hirschauto.com/products.asp?dept=4
Barry
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Kreem Weiss is a great tank coating. The entire 1500+ fleet of Flight
> Design CT's has it's tanks coated with Kreem and most of us use ethanol
> fuels. 325 of them here in the states. Never an ethanol issue. Some in
> Europe and South America use up to 18%-23% ethanol and never have any
> issues. It is pretty much impervious to anything, that's why so many people
> that coat tanks use it professionally.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
> Cell 520-349-7056
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=326739#326739
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Pete:
You are correct.
Yes, I have tried it for two years. It does work pretty well, but if
you religiously check your gas on a pre-flight you will find water in it.
Barry
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Pete Christensen <
pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Dave, I'm curious that you mentioned that removing ethanol from mogas is
> only 90% effective. Have you tried it? I am experimenting with removing
> ethanol from mogas and it works fine so far in my Kitfox/912. If there is a
> bit of ethanol left in my gas it has not caused any problems. There is
> little information out there about washing gas.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 1/12/2011 3:03 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass BSA
> tanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com<owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* January-12-11 12:03 PM
> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
>
> Hello Gaggle:
>
> I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are
> aluminum and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
> Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would
> like a sealant that can stand up to both.
> Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that
> is only about 90% effective.
> I would like to run straight MoGas.
> Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
>
> Thank you for the assistance.
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Only on motorcycle tanks. The fibreglass used on BSA tanks of the sixties
doesn't stand up well at all with the crap we call gas these days. This
stuff seems pretty much able to stand up to it, which is what they claim for
it. It's foul to work with but once hardened seems to stand up well.
_____
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: January-12-11 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Hi Dave:
I saw that one... (09-02566) Do you have any personal experience with that
product?
Barry
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on fibreglass BSA
tanks.
_____
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: January-12-11 12:03 PM
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Hello Gaggle:
I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks are aluminum
and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would
like a sealant that can stand up to both.
Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that is
only about 90% effective.
I would like to run straight MoGas.
Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
Thank you for the assistance.
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Hugh:
It is I, Barry that posted the question.
The tanks are quite a few years old... About 30 years old. And they are
sealed with PRC, as I mentioned. I resealed them with PRC put coatings on
top of the PRC. But it still leaks. WAY too much work and expense
to disassemble the tanks and start from the beginning.
Barry
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> What is the root cause of your aluminum tanks leaking? How old are the
> tanks? Are they leaking at fabricated joints? How long have you had this
> problem? The reason I ask is, I have aluminum wing tanks in my Allegro 2000
> and have not had any problem with leaks since the first flight in 2007. I
> now have almost 500 hours on the engine and I use 93 octane (ethanol free)
> fuel as well as 87 octane (10% ethanol). Is your problem the fuel or poor
> fabrication of the tanks?
>
> Hugh McKay
>
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
Barry,
You got that right. I do check. I was thinking of "aging" my washed
gas in a clean empty glass carboy for a week or so then siphoning the
gas off to use.
Pete
On 1/12/2011 4:49 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Pete:
>
> You are correct.
>
> Yes, I have tried it for two years. It does work pretty well, but if
> you religiously check your gas on a pre-flight you will find water in it.
>
> Barry
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Pete Christensen
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com <mailto:pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dave, I'm curious that you mentioned that removing ethanol from
> mogas is only 90% effective. Have you tried it? I am
> experimenting with removing ethanol from mogas and it works fine
> so far in my Kitfox/912. If there is a bit of ethanol left in my
> gas it has not caused any problems. There is little information
> out there about washing gas.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 1/12/2011 3:03 PM, Dave wrote:
>> How about this ACS part number 09-02566 . I have used it on
>> fibreglass BSA tanks.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *FLYaDIVE
>> *Sent:* January-12-11 12:03 PM
>> *To:* rotaxengines-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
>>
>> Hello Gaggle:
>>
>> I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. The tanks
>> are aluminum and sealed with PRO SEAL or the equivalent.
>> Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol
>> I would like a sealant that can stand up to both.
>> Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas
>> but that is only about 90% effective.
>> I would like to run straight MoGas.
>> Would anyone out there have any experience in this area?
>>
>> Thank you for the assistance.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
> *
>
> ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List
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| Subject: | FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
HI, I think you might be confusing me with FlyDive. I have no aluminum
tanks. I am worried a little about my fibreglass Kitfox tanks but so far no
problems. I have used this product for vintage BSA fibreglass and it appears
to hold up, but I don't think we have alcohol in our gas here in the
Maritimes. I sold off all the old bikes, but all my experience with this has
been ok.
_____
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hugh
McKay
Sent: January-12-11 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Dave,
What is the root cause of your aluminum tanks leaking? How old are the
tanks? Are they leaking at fabricated joints? How long have you had this
problem? The reason I ask is, I have aluminum wing tanks in my Allegro 2000
and have not had any problem with leaks since the first flight in 2007. I
now have almost 500 hours on the engine and I use 93 octane (ethanol free)
fuel as well as 87 octane (10% ethanol). Is your problem the fuel or poor
fabrication of the tanks?
Hugh McKay
From: Pete Christensen <mailto:pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Dave, I'm curious that you mentioned that removing ethanol from mogas is
only 90% effective. Have you tried it? I am experimenting with removing
ethanol from mogas and it works fine so far in my Kitfox/912. If there is a
bit of ethanol left in my gas it has not caused any problems. There is
little information out there about washing gas.
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| Subject: | Re: FUEL TANK SEALANTS |
I have used KBS- coatings gas tank sealer work for me great go to the web
site and check it out
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Wed, 1/12/11, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Subject: RotaxEngines-List: FUEL TANK SEALANTS
Hello Gaggle:
I have been fighting leaking fuel tans for a while. -The tanks are alumin
um and sealed with PRO SEAL or the-equivalent. -
Since my engine likes both AvGas and MoGas and MoGas has ethanol I would li
ke a sealant that can stand up to both.
Stop - I know about the trick of removing the ethanol from MoGas but that i
s only about 90% effective. -
I would like to run-straight-MoGas.
Would anyone out there have any-experience-in this area?
Thank you for the-assistance.
Barry
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