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1. 05:11 AM - Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (flyingphil2)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (Bob Comperini)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (lucien)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: E15 (lucien)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (rampil)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: E15 (Thom Riddle)
7. 09:08 AM - Re: E15 (lucien)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (Pete Christensen)
9. 09:46 AM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (Bob Comperini)
10. 04:00 PM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (ray atkinson)
11. 07:06 PM - Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S (dashwood)
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| Subject: | Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
Hi,
I could do with some advice about storing an engine. I'm in the middle of a aircraft
build which will take a few more years yet. I did plan to buy a new Rotax
912S when the time comes but with the rising VAT rate and euro exchange here
in the UK, it's looking more likely that I'll source one second hand.
I've seen a few good engines advertised that are low hours and in good condition.
I could buy one now and store it or I could wait until nearer the time when
I'm ready and hope a decent one comes up.
My question is, what are the issues or implications of storing a Rotax 912S for
2 -3 years ? I think there is a procedure for laying up an engine but I can't
find this anywhere.
Any comments?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
On 05:08 AM 2/21/2011, flyingphil2 wrote:
>My question is, what are the issues or implications of storing a Rotax 912S for
2 -3 years ? I think there is a procedure for laying up an engine but I can't
find this anywhere.
There's two places I can see, where Rotax talks about how to preserve an engine:
(1) Operator manual, section 8.1
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d04670.pdf
(2) Heavy Maintenance manual, section 5.2
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d05014.pdf
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e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
bob(at)fly-ul.com wrote:
> On 05:08 AM 2/21/2011, flyingphil2 wrote:
>
>
> > My question is, what are the issues or implications of storing a Rotax 912S
for 2 -3 years ? I think there is a procedure for laying up an engine but I
can't find this anywhere.
> >
> >
>
> There's two places I can see, where Rotax talks about how to preserve an engine:
>
> (1) Operator manual, section 8.1
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d04670.pdf
>
> (2) Heavy Maintenance manual, section 5.2
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d05014.pdf
>
>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
By the way, any idea what they mean by "corrosion inhibiting oil"? I.e. what oil
should be used for this? Just curious...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Thom Riddle wrote:
> To USA Rotax operators:
>
> No current worries concerning our auto-gas increasing to 15% ethanol.
>
> http://www.detnews.com/article/20110219/AUTO01/102190386/1148/House-votes-to-block-E15-from-gas-pumps
Finally. The congress actually did something right for a change....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
Despite the anti-corrosive oil, you will
burn up your warranty in storage.
ijr
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Lucien,
But they didn't do it for us, their constituents, they did it for their owners!
We are just fortunate that our interests coincide, for once, a very rare thing.
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Buffalo, NY (9G0)
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Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful.
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Thom Riddle wrote:
> Lucien,
>
> But they didn't do it for us, their constituents, they did it for their owners!
We are just fortunate that our interests coincide, for once, a very rare thing.
Sure they did it for the wrong reasons, but Im not going to turn it down - we need
all the help we can get even if it's an accident.
Maybe if 100LL really does die (which I doubt) and gets replaced with an unleaded
alternative, this may partially go away. I.e. we'll be able to use whatever
the new avgas is and not have to mess with mogas if we don't want to (or can't
afford the unleaded avgas, etc)....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
Bob,
According to a seminar I heard from the Lockwood people @ Oshkosh, Rotax
engines wear out just sitting. That is, seals and gaskets go bad. It
is a consideration.
Pete
On 2/21/2011 7:54 AM, Bob Comperini wrote:
> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Bob Comperini<bob@fly-ul.com>
>
> On 05:08 AM 2/21/2011, flyingphil2 wrote:
>
>> My question is, what are the issues or implications of storing a Rotax 912S
for 2 -3 years ? I think there is a procedure for laying up an engine but I can't
find this anywhere.
> There's two places I can see, where Rotax talks about how to preserve an engine:
>
> (1) Operator manual, section 8.1
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d04670.pdf
>
> (2) Heavy Maintenance manual, section 5.2
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d05014.pdf
>
>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
On 09:35 AM 2/21/2011, Pete Christensen wrote:
>
>Bob,
>
>According to a seminar I heard from the Lockwood people @ Oshkosh, Rotax engines
wear out just sitting. That is, seals and gaskets go bad.
That is true. The manuals talk about when an overhaul must be done (engine running
time, elapsed time since last overhaul)
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Bob Comperini
e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
There are a lot of engines in the wings. The rotax is way too expensive and
alternatives are coming on strong, plus projects and marriages take longer
and end sooner than we think and the engine will age in storage... my 2$ Ray
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From: "Bob Comperini" <bob@fly-ul.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S
>
> On 05:08 AM 2/21/2011, flyingphil2 wrote:
>
>>My question is, what are the issues or implications of storing a Rotax
>>912S for 2 -3 years ? I think there is a procedure for laying up an
>>engine but I can't find this anywhere.
>
> There's two places I can see, where Rotax talks about how to preserve an
> engine:
>
> (1) Operator manual, section 8.1
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d04670.pdf
>
> (2) Heavy Maintenance manual, section 5.2
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d05014.pdf
>
>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storing and laying up a Rotax 912S |
I'm with Ray on this one. save the money and put it into whats needed now. the
warranty will be a big thing in your future. and improvements are being made
on new rotax... and other engines constantly.
if you must there are many views on the topic on pickling engines. years ago we
would pickle car and truck engines by coating the outside of engine with grease
and wrap in burlap and fasten to a skid so in would be protected somewhat.
carbs would be remove and immersed in clean gas and sealed tight, not too long
here as gas does varnish with age. all orifices of engine are sealed with
plates or caps.. then the entire engine is filled with oil... filled!..., crankcase,
heads, jugs, valve covers, water jackets. then set in a dry elevated if
possible place. an engine will sit for a very long time in this condition. it
will take some cleaning and flushing but will be in great shape when you are
ready. for what is worth my $.02 Ross
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Ross Aalexander: CH701 driver 912ul 490tt
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