---------------------------------------------------------- RotaxEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/21/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:34 AM - Re: Mag Ground (Vic) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Mag Ground (Vic) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: Mag Ground (Don Hudgeon) 4. 07:04 AM - Re: Mag Ground (Don Hudgeon) 5. 07:54 AM - Oil filter removal 914 (Fergus Kyle) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: Mag Ground (Richard Girard) 7. 09:35 AM - Re: Oil filter removal 914 (PHILLIPS I) 8. 09:41 AM - Re: Oil filter removal 914 (william sullivan) 9. 10:29 AM - Re: Mag Ground (David Weaver) 10. 10:39 AM - Oil filter removal 914 (Fergus Kyle) 11. 11:25 AM - Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/20/11 (marvhamm@aol.com) 12. 02:06 PM - Re: Oil filter removal 914 (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:19 AM PST US From: "Vic" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground Good to hear thanks ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:40 AM PST US From: "Vic" Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground I just finished putting in a separate mag switch so I could turn it over with mags off. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground From: Don Hudgeon Hello Guys My Model 5 Vixen has separate mag (module) switches. My normal start-up procedure is to leave the switches OFF and crank the starter a few seconds to bring up full oil pressure. I then turn on the switches and start-up. My thinking here is that the engine will have lubrication before it runs at 2000 or so RPM. I have been doing that now for about 100 hours. This should not affect the diodes as long as the modules are OFF, right. Anyone care to comment on this Don Hudgeon KF5 C-FOXK 912UL IVO IFA. On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Vic wrote: > I just finished putting in a separate mag switch so I could turn > it over with mags off. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground From: Don Hudgeon On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Don Hudgeon wrote: > Hello Guys > > My Model 5 Vixen has separate mag (module) switches. My normal start-up > procedure is to leave the switches OFF and crank the starter a few seconds > to bring up full oil pressure. I then turn on the switches and start-up. My > thinking here is that the engine will have lubrication before it runs at > 2000 or so RPM. I have been doing that now for about 100 hours. This should > not affect the diodes as long as the modules are OFF, right. Anyone care to > comment on this > > Don Hudgeon > KF5 C-FOXK 912UL IVO IFA. > > > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Vic wrote: > >> I just finished putting in a separate mag switch so I could turn >> it over with mags off. >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:11 AM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 OK, I'm slow - but what did you use to remove the installed oil filter on your 914? It's ti-ight. It's been on for some time and I had a proper strap wrench but cannot find it - and, apparently nobody makes cloth strap wrenches in my part of spaceship Earth* any more. They're all made of rubber bands which snap at first try...... Your creative solutions most humbly accepted. Ferg *Burlington ON Canada ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground From: Richard Girard Don, the key is that the ignition is grounded, so no problem with your startup method. Here is where the real problem comes. Trying to diagnose an engine that won't start, pulling a plug and trying to ground it on the head to see if there's a spark. This may have worked for your Grandpa's 52 Chevy six, but it's a real bad idea for any Rotax with the electronic ignition. First, the spark is so weak that you probably won't be able to see it. Second, if you don't get a good ground, that little diode has to take all that energy instead. That's where you really put the ignition module at risk. Rick Girard On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Don Hudgeon wrote: > > > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Don Hudgeon wrote: > >> Hello Guys >> >> My Model 5 Vixen has separate mag (module) switches. My normal start-up >> procedure is to leave the switches OFF and crank the starter a few seconds >> to bring up full oil pressure. I then turn on the switches and start-up. My >> thinking here is that the engine will have lubrication before it runs at >> 2000 or so RPM. I have been doing that now for about 100 hours. This should >> not affect the diodes as long as the modules are OFF, right. Anyone care to >> comment on this >> >> Don Hudgeon >> KF5 C-FOXK 912UL IVO IFA. >> >> >> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Vic wrote: >> >>> I just finished putting in a separate mag switch so I could turn >>> it over with mags off. >>> >>> * >>> >>> ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 From: PHILLIPS I I use a large adjustable Pipe wrench placed just were the filter meets the block, with the lower cowling removed, A old but messy solution assuming you don't want to check the filter elemen t for metal particles is to drive a long screwdriver through the filter and use the extra leverage it gives you, Keep a lid of a biscuit tin under the filter to catch the old oil, regards ivor G-IVER On 21 May 2011 15:51, Fergus Kyle wrote: > OK, I=92m slow ' but what did you use to remove the installed oil > filter on your 914? It=92s ti-ight. > > It=92s been on for some time and I had a proper strap wrench but > cannot find it ' and, apparently nobody makes cloth strap wrenches in m y > part of spaceship Earth* any more. They=92re all made of rubber bands whi ch > snap at first try...... > > Your creative solutions most humbly accepted. > > Ferg > > *Burlington ON Canada > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:32 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 =C2- If you can get your hand on it, but can't grip tightly enough to kee p from slipping, try wrapping it with sandpaper- grit side in.=C2- It oft en works. =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- --- On Sat, 5/21/11, PHILLIPS I wrote: From: PHILLIPS I Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 I use a large adjustable=C2-Pipe wrench placed just were the filter meets the block, with the lower cowling removed, A old but messy solution assuming you don't want to check the filter elemen t for metal particles is to drive a long screwdriver through the filter and use the extra leverage it gives y ou, Keep a lid of a biscuit tin under the filter to catch the old oil, regards ivor G-IVER On 21 May 2011 15:51, Fergus Kyle wrote: =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- OK, I=99m slow =93 b ut what did you use to remove the installed oil filter on your 914? It =99s ti-ight. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- It=99s been on for some ti me and I had a proper strap wrench but cannot find it =93 and, appare ntly nobody makes cloth strap wrenches in my part of spaceship Earth* any m ore. They=99re all made of rubber bands which snap at first try...... =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Your creative solutions most hum bly accepted. Ferg *Burlington ON Canada ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:00 AM PST US From: David Weaver Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground I-would suggest-that most normal engine wear occurs in the short interv al between engine start-up and point where oil pressure climbs to normal le vel.- Modern day lubricants flow much better than those available from de cades past.- I am not concerned with engine start-ups whether winter or s ummer as I use a permanent Teflon resin engine coating that I have over 25 years experience with.- That experience involved destructive engine testi ng and included tracking engine wear progress with oil analysis.- I have a history of keeping my autos for several hundred thousand miles before ret irement.- With the exception of 2 cycle engines I treat 4 cycle and diese l engines including my Rotax 912 with Slick 50 engine treatment.- I have never seen any engine additive endorsed by any engine manufacturer.- Ther e is a considerable amount of negative press on the Internet by so-called e ngine experts about Slick 50.- None of the opinions offered that I have s een indicated that my efforts to test the product were duplicated by any of th em.- I can be reached by telephone (630-514-5696) should anyone wish to e ngage in further discussion of this product that I regard as engine insuran ce. Dave Weaver- N912GR --- On Sat, 5/21/11, Don Hudgeon wrote: From: Don Hudgeon Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Mag Ground Hello Guys My Model 5 Vixen has separate mag (module) switches. My normal start-up pro cedure is to leave the switches OFF and crank the starter a few seconds to bring up full oil pressure. I then turn on the switches and start-up. My th inking here is that the engine will have lubrication before it runs at 2000 or so RPM. I have been doing that now for about 100 hours. This should not affect the diodes as long as the modules are OFF, right. Anyone care to co mment on this Don Hudgeon KF5 C-FOXK------- 912UL-- IVO IFA. On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Vic wrote: I just finished putting in a separate mag switch so I could turn it over with mags off. ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:54 AM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 William and Ivor, Thank you both for rapid weekend replies.... Fact is, after a week of searching the hawkers, I tripped over my afore-mentioned cloth strap wrench, applied same and after some invective managed a grudging move - so I'm OK Jack. But it was not without some wrangling and am thankful for your solutions. These may come in handy later. The thing is - I have not replenished the oil for a couplke of years - it has been in the spare bedroom and dry - and I want to remove the filter only to replenish the unused oil, so filter destruction not wanted. I now turn my attention to filling the oil according to the Rotax persuasion and discover I have badly sited various components unknowingly frustrating the ucoupling of hoses in the 914's dark interior spaces. Nothing seems easy. Cheers, and I owe you Ferg PS: It appears I owe so many of the hops variety I'll have to come over for the Christmas dinner to comply with glib promises. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:34 AM PST US Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/20/11 From: marvhamm@aol.com Peter, ? I am reluctant to even suggest anything since yours is a new installation, but is it possible that there could be any obstruction of air flow into the turbo, or a problem with a sensor(?) that might trigger the wastegate opening as if there was a partial airflow?blockage?? ? I had a similar occurence with mine, but found that my turbo's air filter needed cleaning and reoiling.? O.K. after that. ? ...... Marv =================== -----Original Message----- From: RotaxEngines-List Digest Server <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com& gt; om> Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 2:08 am Subject: RotaxEngines-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/20/11 * ======================== ======================== == Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== ======================== == Today's complete RotaxEngines-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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Am retrieving data from the TCU. throttle position sensor fine 1.2% to 115% as per book . The reason I wanted to look at this data is that I can only obtain 33PSI manifold pressure at 5700 because the wastegate is opening towards maximum throttle . This is the reason I cannot obtain the required manifold pressure. I am going to run a log and copy this and the retrieved data and sent it to our Rotax distributor. I have been in contact with him to review this problem . I made the following observation with the engine NOT running, stats off th e program and confirmed by visual observation . At 0 position throttle wastegate is 100%, as you move the throttle up to 115% the wastegate moves to 75%. Is this behaviour that others with a 914 have noticed. I appreciate that with the engine not running the TCU may require other inputs but as a casual observation I would have thought that the wastegate would not have moved. I am going to sit the old PC in the rear seats and run the engine up and see what happens in operational mode. Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers Peter Peter Armstrong Auckland, New Zealand PS Now need to look for an acceptable USB to serial cable that works with this program, anyone any ideas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340493#340493 ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:32 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: Oil filter removal 914 Ferg=0Ayou should come to the Christmas Dinner, good place to see all your old frineds!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF rom: Fergus Kyle =0ATo: 1ROTAXnet =0ASent: Saturday, 21 May, 2011 18:37:11=0ASubject: RotaxEngines-Lis t: Oil filter removal 914=0A=0AOil filter removal 914 =0AWilliam and Ivor, =0A Thank you both for rapid weekend replies....=0A Fact is, a fter a week of searching the hawkers, I tripped over my =0Aafore-mentioned cloth strap wrench, applied same and after some invective =0Amanaged a grud ging move=93soI=99m OK Jack. But it was not without some wrangl ing and =0Aam thankful for your solutions. These may come in handy later. =0A The thing is=93I have not replenished the oil for a couplk e of years=93it =0Ahas been in the spare bedroom and dry=93and I want to remove the filter only to =0Areplenish the unused oil, so filter destruction not wanted.=0A I now turn my attention to filling the oi l accordingto the =0ARotaxpersuasion and discover I have badly sited variou s components unknowingly =0Afrustratingthe ucoupling of hoses in the 914 =99s dark interior spaces. Nothing =0Aseems easy.=0ACheers, and I owe yo u=0AFerg=0APS:It appears I owe so many of the hops variety I=99ll hav e to come over for the =0AChristmas dinner to comply with glib promises.=0A ================= =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rotaxengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RotaxEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rotaxengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rotaxengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.